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Re:Broadband left out of infrastructure goals, and how the F... by AnthonyMouse on Friday March 17, 2017 @04:29PM (#13897710)
> If the market doesn't want to build it, we should think hard about whether we should build it

There are good reasons to expect market failure here. New players very rarely enter infrastructure markets with existing incumbents because having to compete with the incumbent in a natural monopoly market is not expected to be profitable.

And the "accidental duopoly" markets aren't going to do it. Both players try as hard as possible not to compete with each other because they both know that increasing speeds or lowering prices would only provoke the same response from the other and make them both less profitable.

So you're really asking whether a monopoly incumbent would do it, which doesn't have much to do with markets at all -- it turns on whether the cost is more than the increase in monopoly rent it would allow rather than whether the cost is more than the value. And the existing monopoly rent is already high because even slow internet is much more valuable than none.

> And if the government does build it, we should ditch the emotional appeals for FTTH and rely heavily on sensible, cost-effect point-to-point wireless.

FTTH is a one-time expense. The maintenance cost of underground fiber shouldn't be any higher than wireless, and then you don't need to worry about spectrum or wireless line of sight obstructions or interference or any of the other problems with wireless.

Re:Broadband left out of infrastructure goals, and how the F... by rayiner on Friday March 17, 2017 @06:37PM (#13898586)
> FTTH is a one-time expense. The maintenance cost of underground fiber shouldn't be any higher than wireless, and then you don't need to worry about spectrum or wireless line of sight obstructions or interference or any of the other problems with wireless.

Most of the country doesn't bury utilities.[1] Point to point wireless is a lot cheaper than burying fiber, and also a lot cheaper than maintaining aerial fiber that can be torn down by storms/tree branches.

[1] My fiber line hangs free from a telephone pole and is secured in the middle with a bent nail. But hey, that's one of the reasons my neighborhood in nowhere Maryland has fiber, while most of Silicon Valley does not.

Re:Broadband left out of infrastructure goals, and how the F... by amazon_not on Friday March 17, 2017 @06:58PM (#13898702)
> Point to point wireless is a lot cheaper than burying fiber, and also a lot cheaper than maintaining aerial fiber that can be torn down by storms/tree branches.

Wireless is not always cheaper than fiber. The cost depends on geography and spectrum availability. Wireless is also more expensive per bit. Wireless also has a shorter lifespan than fiber. All these are things that have to be taken into consideration when determining which has the lower total cost of ownership over the lifespan of the asset.

Re:Broadband left out of infrastructure goals, and how the F... by AnthonyMouse on Friday March 17, 2017 @11:06PM (#13899676)
> Most of the country doesn't bury utilities.

And they waste money in the long run as a result. It's the same situation -- pay once to put utilities underground and then you don't have to pay forever fixing the fallout from every different kind of weather.

Re:Broadband left out of infrastructure goals, and how the F... by rayiner on Saturday March 18, 2017 @09:11AM (#13901094)
That's great, but time value of money being what it is, you'd rather pay for something later than paying for it now. One of the factors Google used in choosing Fiber cities was whether the city has arial power lines versus buried ones. Requiring cable burial is just another one of the many anti-development measures that keeps places like Silicon Valley from having fiber when far less wealthy places have it.

My neighborhood, in a part of Maryland where I can get to horse farms in five minutes, has fiber. It didn't even have public water/sewer until two years ago, but it had fiber. Tiny, non-to-code lots, arial power lines, and easy-going permitting authorities played a role in making fiber deployment feasible.

Re:Broadband left out of infrastructure goals, and how the F... by amazon_not on Saturday March 18, 2017 @10:00AM (#13901266)
> That's great, but time value of money being what it is, you'd rather pay for something later than paying for it now.

That assumption only holds if the cost of the inputs do not rise with time. In fiber builds up to 80% of the costs are labor. If/when labor costs rise more than the cost of money then you are worse off putting off an inevitable/intended investment.

Furthermore if putting off an investment causes duplicate costs (build aerial, later replace with buried) or causes you to forego OPEX savings (aerial vs. buried facilities maintenance costs), then you are actually worse off by paying later.

Thus the time value of money is not the end all and be all.

Re:Broadband left out of infrastructure goals, and how the F... by AnthonyMouse on Saturday March 18, 2017 @09:51AM (#13901219)
It isn't anti-development if the net present value is positive. Whether that's true obviously depends on the time value of money, i.e. interest rates, but interest rates are still near historic lows. So if there was ever a time to do it.