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Re:Scotland to seek second independence referendum by pjc50 on Monday March 13, 2017 @11:25AM (#13858560)
The economics are very disputable - the UK doesn't do regional apportionment of tax collection other than (just now) income tax, so not everyone believes the GERS number of £9bn.

And now it's even more disputable with Brexit: what farm subsidies will Scotland recieve, for example? What's the future cuts scenario for the UK? What happens if the rUK starts mass deportation of EU nationals? Parts of England are a few Daily Mail stories away from burning down Polish or Pakistani corner shops.

The UK had its opportunity to choose inclusivity and openness, and instead England voted for reactionary panic. I think it's hard to underestimate how much work the SNP have done in declaring ethno-nationalism and anti-immigrant sentiment unacceptable, and pushing those sentiments to the margins in Scotland despite the media.

(English-born Edinburgh resident SNP member here, btw)

Re:Scotland to seek second independence referendum by sambeau on Tuesday March 14, 2017 @05:08AM (#13866068)
> not everyone believes the GERS number of £9bn.

The GERS figures are produced by Scottish Government statisticians. Why would they massage the out of Scotland's favour?

Re:Scotland to seek second independence referendum by zigzigzag on Monday March 13, 2017 @11:45AM (#13858797)
I think that's nonsense. The GERS figures were accepted beforehand by the SNP themselves, and they're the best available. Even if they're out by 10% that's still a massive financial hole Scotland is looking at. Of course nationalists will now decide that the figures are inconvenient and so must be wrong, but their track record on economics isn't great - their prior plan involved building their fairer, kinder Scotland on the back of oil revenues which are now gone (and they ignored the decommissioning costs anyway).

The UK is not "a few Daily Mail stories" away from burning down Pakistani corner shops, Pakistani immigration having nothing to do with Brexit whatsoever of course. That's the kind of ridiculously over the top drama that lost the referendum, and it boils down to a form of racism itself: a belief that white English people are just horrible and ignorant, in defiance of all the facts (the UK is one of the most racially diverse countries in Europe).

Finally, I don't know what kind of independence campaign you remember, but the SNP I know practically defines itself through racist hatred of the English. Their entire argument for an independent Scotland seems to boil down to "we hate the awful Tory voting English".

Re:Scotland to seek second independence referendum by pjc50 on Monday March 13, 2017 @11:49AM (#13858834)
> the SNP I know practically defines itself through racist hatred of the English

This is in direct contradiction of my experience of being English (RP accent and all) at Indyref events and the SNP conference itself. There's maybe one or two fringe old guys who are actually anti-English and everyone else finds it embarrasing and is genuinely friendly.

Everyone does hate the Tories though.

Re:Scotland to seek second independence referendum by daleharvey on Monday March 13, 2017 @11:53AM (#13858879)
Not gonna deny that my support for the SNP is heavily influenced by my large dislike for tories. Seems like an awful stretch to call that racism though.
Re:Scotland to seek second independence referendum by falsedan on Monday March 13, 2017 @11:50AM (#13858838)
I think everyone here has a poor view of Tory voters, regardless of national origin.
Re:Scotland to seek second independence referendum by vilmosi on Monday March 13, 2017 @04:58PM (#13862283)
Not me
Re:Scotland to seek second independence referendum by falsedan on Tuesday March 14, 2017 @07:42AM (#13866646)
that's grand pal