Unity that excludes almost half of the US population. I'm glad that people reacted against the passive-aggresiveness of this message when the stream was hosted in a public space. I don't condone stealing on a private property but let's not fool ourselves here, the message of this art project is reinforcing the US vs THEM mentality that is currently tearing Americans apart rather than truly trying to unify people.
It does not. They are free and encouraged to join in (AFAIK).
Those who embrace racial and religious discrimination, of course, might not choose the join, as the message contradicts their beliefs. But that is an old issue and red herring, the paradox of tolerance. Tolerate everyone but the intolerant, who are parasites on the social contract of tolerance.
I guess the flag really is wrong.
I think trump is an imbecile, but denying his supporters free speech as you are doing, is exactly why he is popular.
I think trump is an imbecile, but denying his supporters free speech as you are doing, is exactly why he is popular.
Despite getting the second-most votes nationally, the geographic distribution of the Republican votes gained them quite a few more "electoral college votes" (i.e. winning points) than the Democrats. The electoral college system gives more power to the countryside than the cities, proportional to the population.
Trump won 57% of the Electoral College, 46% of those who voted, 25% of the voting age population and 19% of the population as a whole.
That's not half the US population.
The reasoning is pretty straight-forward. Tomorrow (or apparently literally today given the craziness of the current socio-political discourse), you and I will be considered the Nazis.
Stop dodging, actually respond to what you're replying to. Do you consider capturing the hypothetical Nazi flag differently than the HSNDU flag?
This is still very ambiguous. There are MANY situations where the above statement is not true.
>you and I will be considered the Nazis.
That's absurd. If you look back 100 years ago there are many people I would not consider a "nazi" so why would it hold true 100 years from now? Your rhetoric has very little substance. It's Godwin all the way down.
>Stop dodging, actually respond to what you're replying to. Do you consider capturing the hypothetical Nazi flag differently than the HSNDU flag?
I'm not dodging anything, I'm sick of people throwing around the freedom of speech like it justifies everything anyone wants to say.
To answer your question: As an individual I view it very differently.
BUT I don't think the government should snatch either flag, and if you're on someone else's private property doing so it should definitely be considered theft.
Spencer is a white-supremacist shitbag, yes. His ideology, however, is very different from Hitler's, and he has never publicly advocated violence.
Again, my scenario is not hypothetical. See http://www.wnd.com/2017/02/oppose-terror-youre-a-nazi/
">The context you are referring to has repeatedly born out that American law allows private citizens to say or express anything, no matter how hateful, as long as it's not an incitement to violence nor slanders a specific party.
This is still very ambiguous. There are MANY situations where the above statement is not true."
Show me one.
• you couldn't make a sign with a pornographic image and use it as a protest
• you can't advertise tobacco in public spaces
that's just off the top of my head, I could dig up some more if you want
Though yes, one of my posts was wrong - "incitement to violence" should have been "incitement to illegal activity."
> individuals coming together, learning new things, and working towards a common goal
the common goal here is being an asshole
> if this was a nazi flag, would you feel the same way?
Shia's flag said "he will not divide us" it was a message of unity that someone took down to replace with the representation of an administration with actual white nationalists as advisors.
> it's a bit ironic that you bring up an attempt to shut down free speech, when that's exactly what shia did
Yelling into someone's livefeed is free speech in a public place, but continuing to follow them and ultimately trespassing onto private property is harassment. Free speech isn't yelling whatever you want whenever you want. It's freedom from the government oppressing your speech.
>would you feel the same if it was a nazi flag?
This again? Seriously. Here's a challenge for you in the future: try to make a sound argument without simply throwing the word "nazi" in.