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Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by muninn_ on Thursday March 09, 2017 @12:32PM (#13830943)
Just because a few people from outside the US are worried about visa issues before applying to an incubator doesn't spell the end of Silicon Valley. The money, talent, and infrastructure to support startups (and large tech companies for that matter) aren't going away anytime soon and likely wouldn't go away even if we completely completely halted green card holders. Not that I would ever advocate something like that.
Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by elif on Thursday March 09, 2017 @12:54PM (#13831196)
I don't think it's "a few people." It is everyone holding or desiring a US visa that is worried. I would contend that it is only the extent of that fear that is variable.

Maybe I am wrong and there are visa holders feeling absolute confidence at the moment, but I would like to hear why from even one before considering your "a few people" categorization as anything but spin.

Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by adventured on Friday March 10, 2017 @04:16AM (#13837345)
> It is everyone holding or desiring a US visa that is worried

It's so far out of line of reason to believe that the US is going to basically end all - or any meaningful portion of - legal immigration, as to be nearly impossible to reply to. Where to start?

The US will switch, if anything, to a merit based system. Canada already uses just such a system. Nobody seems to be outraged about it, or proclaiming the end of Canada because of it. There's far too much emotion in this thread.

Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by di4na on Friday March 10, 2017 @05:26AM (#13837606)
As someone that is look for jobs right now and talking with a lot of tech comapny in the US on the side, they just hold all tentative to get visas. O1 are still doable, but all H1B are on hold. If you are canadian, it is not a problem.

But all Europeans that would like to get visa are on hold right now. People that already have one are in limbo, worrying about how the coming ruling will affect them.

Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by muninn_ on Friday March 10, 2017 @08:11AM (#13838280)
May I ask where you are from and what your field is?
Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by muninn_ on Thursday March 09, 2017 @01:02PM (#13831286)
I'm speaking in relation to Y Combinator and those who are looking to apply to come to the United Stats to start a company. The number of those people is an absolutely small number compared to the whole. Unless you have data proving otherwise?
Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by mehaveaccount on Thursday March 09, 2017 @01:32PM (#13831655)
I'm a visa holder and I'm not worried because worst case scenario I go back home to live with my family who loves me.
Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by chongli on Thursday March 09, 2017 @03:29PM (#13833218)
You haven't been reading the news very carefully. Worst case scenario is that you get sent to a 3rd party country, have your passport seized upon landing, and possibly end up in prison where your human rights are at risk.
Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by DrJid on Thursday March 09, 2017 @04:41PM (#13834004)
Source?
Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by mehaveaccount on Saturday March 11, 2017 @03:07PM (#13846957)
Source?
Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by JamilD on Thursday March 09, 2017 @12:38PM (#13831009)
I don't think that's necessarily true. The Bay Area's become an international hub for tech, not just a domestic one — many influential founders (including Elon Musk, Peter Thiel) were born outside the United States.
Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by muninn_ on Thursday March 09, 2017 @01:01PM (#13831271)
I don't disagree. It is the world's premier tech hub. But a fleeting 4 year long ban on immigrants wouldn't turn the city to rubble and leave everybody without jobs as Google and Y Combinator pack up bags and move to Tijuana and Beijing. There are larger forces at play here than that.
Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by neptunespear on Thursday March 09, 2017 @02:39PM (#13832576)
Isn't it a bitter irony that someone who became successful in Silicon Valley (Peter Thiel) was a driving force to get a president, whose policies could potentially lead to a bit of a decline for Silicon Valley, elected?
Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by JamilD on Thursday March 09, 2017 @01:03PM (#13831305)
Of course. But it'll do some damage, which will only get worse as time goes on. What about 8 years? 12? If you restrict skilled legal immigration long-term, you're necessarily going to (slowly) drive companies away.
Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by muninn_ on Thursday March 09, 2017 @06:57PM (#13835039)
This implies that we don't have enough home-grown talent. We do.
Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by JamilD on Thursday March 09, 2017 @10:37PM (#13836159)
It's not a zero-sum game of open jobs to potential employees.

If you're able to interact with the smartest people in the world - and not just your own country - you end up forming more effective and larger companies. Which in turn create jobs.

If you shut out your country to the rest of the world, the next Google will be founded somewhere else.

And I'll dispute your claim that the US has enough talent. There was a submission on HN recently about the top deep learning papers. Go through it. Count the number of American-born people. Geoff Hinton? Yann LeCun? Russ Salakhutdinov? Demis Hassibis (of Deep Mind)? Virtually everyone on there was born somewhere else. They're not Americans, but they're mostly working for American companies and contributing their talent to YOUR economy.

[0] https://github.com/terryum/awesome-deep-learning-papers/blob...

Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by muninn_ on Friday March 10, 2017 @06:59AM (#13837947)
Sure and I love that those people (highly skilled immigrants) are working for American companies.

But so what? That doesn't demonstrate that the US doesn't have enough talent. It just shows that some people from out of the country were working on something. Maybe if the situation was different then that paper could be exclusively written be Americans. The majority of the worlds most intelligent people reside elsewhere, but the US has nearly 400 million people. It's fine with or without immigrants. Japan is fine isn't it?

Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by JamilD on Friday March 10, 2017 @09:05AM (#13838621)
Let me end off by saying there's a difference between being "fine" and "exceptional". If you're content with the former, then that's okay, no problem there -- cutting off immigration will be okay. America will survive, there won't be an apocalypse. Like Japan right now -- it's got mediocre companies with a mediocre economy.

Many papers are written exclusively by Americans, but they're often not the best. That's what you're going to have to be content with, if you shut off immigration. Being okay, but not the best.

Imagine that those researchers couldn't go to the US. Imagine instead of Google DeepMind beating Lee Sedol it was a Canadian or Chinese company. Imagine if the first company to roll out mass self-driving cars would be Didi instead of Tesla. It's an inevitability, once all the top minds in the world go to companies outside the US. And as I said, it's not horrible for America, the country will surivive and do okay, but there'll be jobs lost and innovation will go somewhere else.

Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by muninn_ on Friday March 10, 2017 @09:56AM (#13839012)
Yeah so you're agreeing with what I said earlier. It's not desirable by any means, but not the end of the world. That's all I wanted to point out lol.
Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by Iv on Thursday March 09, 2017 @12:47PM (#13831106)
> aren't going away anytime soon

Reading the news, I would not bet too much money on that either.

Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by muninn_ on Thursday March 09, 2017 @01:03PM (#13831306)
I'd love to actually take that bet. Excluding thermonuclear war, if things get annoying enough we'll just elect a democrat next year and restore the political arena that people believe is best. One (what seems to be) bad president isn't going to completely ruin Silicon Valley. It's pure hyperbole.
Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by jacquesm on Thursday March 09, 2017 @01:14PM (#13831448)
> Excluding thermonuclear war, if things get annoying enough we'll just elect a democrat next year and restore the political arena that people believe is best.

Most likely not next year.

Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by mschuster91 on Thursday March 09, 2017 @04:21PM (#13833788)
> Most likely not next year.

In Germany and many other European countries, when the government resigns (or the government is mistrusted by parliament), there is the possibility of immediate new elections.

Is this totally impossible in the US?

Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by djrogers on Thursday March 09, 2017 @05:27PM (#13834421)
In the US "The Government" is not a thing that resigns - it'd be the President. If the President resigned, the VP would become acting President until the next election. If the VP also resigned, we'd work our way down the line of succession.

The system we have here is quite different from the parliamentary system you may be more familiar with.

Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by nradov on Thursday March 09, 2017 @04:30PM (#13833904)
Totally impossible (unless Congress or the States amend the Constitution to make it possible).
Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by muninn_ on Thursday March 09, 2017 @07:50PM (#13835375)
The way Trump has been acting? We'll see.
Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by jacquesm on Thursday March 09, 2017 @08:26PM (#13835550)
No. We won't. It's a constitutional impossibility for the American government to 'fall' outside of a revolution. The only thing that will happen is that two years from now there will be elections but not for president. I consider the fact that the government can't fall to be a bug in the US political system but it's not even the biggest one.

For all the reverence the 'founding fathers' get they could have done a much better job setting things up. America got rid of royalty, then brought it back in by electing them, and not in a ceremonial function either. It's a huge problem (that, and the 'two party system').

Technically the two party system could change but things are set up in such a way that no third party will ever gather enough votes even if you were to say pit two un-electables against each other.

Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by muninn_ on Thursday March 09, 2017 @09:10PM (#13835761)
It's not impossible to impeach somebody.
Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by muhfuhkuh on Friday March 10, 2017 @12:27AM (#13836596)
It's like people don't remember that there was a president that called a press conference, spoke to the people, put on a jacket, got in a helicopter, and flew away from the White House forever.
Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by jacquesm on Friday March 10, 2017 @09:23AM (#13838735)
Yes, and other people seem to forget that that did not lead to new elections.

Presidential elections happen on schedule. If Trump should leave that gives you Pence, if Pence should leave that will give you Ryan. And likely by that time it will be 2020 and you'll have those new elections but until then you'll be stuck with a Republican as president, like it or not.

Re:YC will hold interviews in Vancouver for founders who can... by emiliobumachar on Friday March 10, 2017 @04:11AM (#13837325)
News to me. Who are you referring to?