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Re:As obesity keeps rising, more Americans are just giving up by minikites on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @07:14PM (#13825307)
It's not childish, it's how a society works. It's the same concept behind seatbelt laws. Not wearing a seatbelt "should" be an individual choice but individuals not wearing a seatbelt in aggregate is a net negative for society so we legislate their use.
Re:As obesity keeps rising, more Americans are just giving up by lacampbell on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @07:22PM (#13825376)
I think wearing a seatbelt is a great idea, and if I'll refuse to drive a car unless all my passengers are wearing their seatbelt first. My partner is from a country where it's not enforced at all, and I have insisted she always wear a seat-belt when I noticed she didn't wear them routinely.

I personally rarely drink alcohol, don't smoke, take drugs etc etc. I still don't think any of the above should be forbidden. I've found it's a good idea to me - cheaper, better for my health, better for my mental state. Somehow I'm able to follow this without the state compelling me to do so.

Should we ban alcohol as well - as that is how "society works"? It does a lot of harm in many countries.

I don't understand why every good idea has to be enforced with a law.

(As an aside, I'm from a country where bicycle helmets are mandatory, despite their dubious safety benefits, and the fact as soon as the law was introduced cyclist numbers plummeted).

Re:As obesity keeps rising, more Americans are just giving up by matthewmacleod on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @07:46PM (#13825598)
Bear in mind that it's not a binary choice - "total free-for-all" versus "ban it". We can implement public health measures that strongly discourage harmful activities, or offer mitigation, without banning them.
Re:As obesity keeps rising, more Americans are just giving up by xg15 on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @07:42PM (#13825572)
You can view it from the other side, though. if the market is skewed in such a way that most food readily available contains e.g. unnecessary amounts of sugar and you need specific skills, knowledge and mental resolve (not to mention money) to not eat unhealthy food, I believe a bit influence to re-balance things is justified.

Consumer-choice and personal responsibility is a nice thing as long as that choice isn't systematically undermined by market forces.

Re:As obesity keeps rising, more Americans are just giving up by minikites on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @07:29PM (#13825441)
I think alcohol is a thorny example because of status quo bias stretching back thousands of years. Based on what I know of the physical harms of alcohol, I think if it was invented today it would be illegal.
Re:As obesity keeps rising, more Americans are just giving up by Jach on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @07:53PM (#13825672)
> It's not childish, it's how a nanny-state works.

FTFY.

Different people accept different levels of control over their lives, and feel they have different levels of control over their own lives. This can even change over one's life. And sometimes it's not a feeling but a much more objective fact. I know people whose interests would be better served if someone else made all their financial decisions because they have a long pattern of poor decision making regardless of the monetary amount. I don't feel I should force such a thing on those people when they don't want it, but often it's possible for an in-between solution they find agreeable enough of removing some autonomy but not all. This delicate balance is best done as locally as possible.

It's all very variable. I strongly disagree with a dichotomy I see often propped up of "we need the full force of the federal government in our daily lives" against "move to Somalia if you don't like it". A better approach is federalism. In the US at least there's been "enough" federalism to keep most larger groups of different people happy enough (even now I know I can move to a different state and be free of some of what I dislike about my current state) but the trend is less state decision and more federal control. Extending this to the city level for large cities works fine too. I don't care if Seattle wants to enact some nanny law, maybe the people of Seattle want that and indeed will have better lives because of it, but I don't care because I don't live there nor have to live there. Even if Washington State, where I do live, does something I hate, I can move. When it's the whole US that has a law that I really find unbearably intrusive, things suddenly become a lot more challenging because the cost of exit is much higher. When you can't really do anything about it you either become unhappy or rely on stoicism or whatever to get you through, it would be better though if the negative factor wasn't even there to begin with.