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Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by vkou on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @03:39PM (#13814609)
> Also, there's a TON of crazy people riding, literal homeless crazy people, or kind of thuggish people. There needs to be some sort of loitering code enforcement on the train along with more security. I feel uncomfortable as a dude, I bet women feel even more so.

One of the ways to improve the public transit, as a whole, is to make people of all socioeconomic classes take transit. Consider New York, for instance, where millionaires are shoulder-to-shoulder with waiters, and homeless people on their commute... And it works surprisingly well.

Until politically wealthy people have to deal with the problem, they won't support any solutions.

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by duderific on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @04:57PM (#13815412)
Driving and parking in New York is so incredibly difficult and expensive compared to mass transit, especially the subway. In the cities where that is the case, there isn't the same class division between those who drive and those who take mass transit.

In LA, it is exactly the opposite: mass transit is incredibly difficult, slow, and in some cases more expensive than driving. How can you "make people of all socioeconomic classes take transit" in that scenario?

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by vkou on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @05:41PM (#13815834)
Tear up all the parking lots, and half the roads.

Or, actually, just tear up the parking lots. You can do it by taxing under-utilized land.

It's obviously never going to happen, so people will keep spending ~$3-5,000/year on vehicles, and ~$1,000-2000/year on parking, for the dubious privilege of spending up to two hours a day in traffic. On the bright side, if you live that far from work, your housing is probably cheap.

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by xienze on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @05:58PM (#13815971)
> On the bright side, if you live that far from work, your housing is probably cheap.

And that's exactly why things are the way they are. Shockingly, given the choice, most people would happily trade a long commute for the ability to spread out and not pay through the nose for the privilege of being crammed on top of other people.

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by vkou on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @06:18PM (#13816164)
Only because the costs of that lifestyle are socialized - either someone else pays them, or you can't opt out.

Surburban sprawl is unsustainable, but is paid for by new development, parking is free, or cheap, highways aren't tolled, costs of pollution aren't factored into your bill at the pump... When you live in the city, you still pay these costs, but you don't get to reap any of the benefits.

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by majormajor on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @05:52PM (#13815928)
> On the bright side, if you live that far from work, your housing is probably cheap.

Yeah, your house probably cost ONLY 500k-1mil!

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by FullMtlAlcoholc on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @06:34PM (#13816319)
> One of the ways to improve the public transit, as a whole, is to make people of all socioeconomic classes take transit. Consider New York, for instance, where millionaires are shoulder-to-shoulder with waiters, and homeless people on their commute... And it works surprisingly well.

It doesn't work that well. NYC subways are disgusting, especially in the summer. And you can't prevent citizens from utilizing public resources just because they smell bad or are uncouth.

> Until politically wealthy people have to deal with the problem, they won't support any solutions.

We just passed a proposal allocating over $1 billion to house the homeless. I think that qualifies as a solution.