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Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by LyalinDotCom on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @11:22AM (#13811612)
Its a great sense of relief to finally ship this product, we really hope folks give it a try and join our live keynote which is streaming now at http://launch.visualstudio.com
Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by mistermann on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @01:51PM (#13813359)
One complaint....the installer doesn't seem to show required disk space per component....with the features I've chose the install is 40 GB!!! I don't have nearly that room on my SSD but that's where I want it, but there's no way of knowing if I can pare my install down to fit in what I do have!
Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by hailmike on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @02:08PM (#13813556)
I had the same 40.8 GB surprise. ~34 GB was Xamarin.
Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by tony2016 on Friday March 10, 2017 @03:36PM (#13841889)
Add and remove a component and look at the total in each. The difference is the component's size.
Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by wmccullough on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @11:50AM (#13811939)
I'm loving it already. I was able to update from RC to RTM within 20 minutes on two machines with no hiccups. I was expecting hours of downtime. This is great stuff!
Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by tracker1 on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @01:47PM (#13813325)
Definitely sounds much better than <= 2015, where you may as well walk away for a few hours... and hope it doesn't hang for some weird reason.
Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by eitland on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @01:28PM (#13813131)
As a newcomer to .net I was really confused by the lacking refactoring support in Visual Studio (yes, things we spoiled Java brats take for granted like extract method, extract class, move to separate file etc).

Is this available in VS 2017?

Edit: and live unit testing! I was looking forward to that until I found out it was only available in the enterprise version. (And yes, here you have an edge on Java anyway I think)

Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by Metasyntactic on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @04:04PM (#13814874)
Hi Eitland!

I'm a dev on the C#/VB IDE experience (and i've written and maintain many of the Refactorings for those languages). C# and VB do support refactorings like 'Extract Method' and 'Move to Separate File'.

We've also exposed a full analysis and code manipulation API through 'Roslyn' so that community members can contribute even more refactorings through extensions.

One reason this may not have been clear is that previously we didn't strongly indicate to you that a refactoring was available. i.e. when you selected some code to extract a method, you would then have to use ctrl-dot to get the list of things you could do. Now, in VS2017 we pop up our 'Lightbulb' whenever refactorings are available. This helps make the refactorings much more discoverable and we've seen a very large uptick in people invoking them now that it's much clearer that they're available.

If you use VS2017 and find issues with our fixes/refactorings, or you would like us to add more, please file feedback at https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn Thanks!

Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by cm2187 on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @04:32PM (#13815122)
I'm afraid intellisense in VS 2017 is still a bit of a regression from VS2013, at least for the VB IDE.

Some gifs I prepared a while ago to explain what I mean (it seems that the parenthesis problem has been fixed in VS2017 though):

https://zbpublic.blob.core.windows.net/grrrrr/Grrrrr.htm

Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by Metasyntactic on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @04:52PM (#13815344)
Hi CM2187. Can you file these bugs over at https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn We can take a look and hopefully get fixes out for you soon!
Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by mistermann on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @01:35PM (#13813207)
I think "most everyone" just uses Resharper - Microsoft kind of has a background of letting a healthy ecosystem of 3rd party addin providers exist, and only gradually incorporates the best features into the core product.
Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by kogir on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @07:09PM (#13816556)
Most times when someone complains that Visual Studio is slow, you'll find they have Resharper installed.
Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by sundvor on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @03:30AM (#13818858)
Hard to live without though! I upgraded my PC to a 4.2ghz six core 6850k i7, 32gb ram and a 950 Pro NVME soon after I started dev in C#.

It was still slow, but somewhat less so. :)

Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by memsom on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @03:03PM (#13814184)
Not at all. Never used resharper after 10+ years of .Net.
Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by novaleaf on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @07:12PM (#13816587)
i love the features of resharper, but after all these years, the performance is still super awful when you have large projects.

Every new version I give it a try to see if the perf problems are fixed, and every time I have to turn it off after a few hours.

Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by xenonite on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @03:39PM (#13814613)
Visual Assist by Whole Tomato Software [1] is a solid and well known refactoring plugin. For C++, it provides me a huge productivity boost. There is a C# version as well.

[1] http://www.wholetomato.com/

Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by sundvor on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @06:10PM (#13816090)
For live unit testing you really cannot go past Ncrunch.net. It is absolutely brilliant, colour coding the testing coverage and test results in the margins of the editor - which run and update as you type. I bought my own personal license for this.

Core support is coming; first beta just released. I believe that targeting a constantly changing tooling set was/is quite a challenge.

Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by eitland on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @03:08AM (#13818762)
Running a trial of that now. Loving it.

Will try reshaper as well before deciding to buy any of them.

Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by sundvor on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @03:27AM (#13818842)
Awesome, good luck! New to C# in January '16, I have been using both from day 1. The test runner in RS is an improvement on the built in, but doesn't really hold a candle to NCrunch. You use Resharper for all the other good bits though :) Together, the trifecta of Studio, NCrunch and Resharper is an unbeatable combination.

Beware: I'm pretty sure I failed a job interview as I was so used to Resharper, when I needed to do a test on a PC without I was fairly lost. They had no interest in my setting up unit tests first for the programming tasks so it might have been just as well.

Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by eitland on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @12:27PM (#13821752)
New to C# in January '16

Same here.

Thanks for the updates.

For some reason I though Reshaper would be incompatible with NCrunch but I will try them together now.

Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by sundvor on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @01:51AM (#13818484)
Correction: Remco has now released initial Core support in the mainline. :)))
Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by miguelrochefort on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @01:37PM (#13813229)
- "Extract method" has always been supported.

- Resharper supports "Extract class" and "Move to separate file".

Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by tony2016 on Friday March 10, 2017 @03:38PM (#13841914)
There are many refactorings already and if you want more you can invest in Resharper or CodeRush.
Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by jarsin on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @01:27PM (#13813115)
Downloading...i pray to god that intellisense finally works for large c++ code bases such as Unreal Engine.

Wishful thinking?

Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by contextfree on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @07:22PM (#13816655)
Congrats on the launch.

The download link takes you to a page ( https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/whatsnew/ ) where the main download button doesn't actually appear when the window is resized below a certain width, and there's no obvious indication of what's going on. This really confused and frustrated me.

Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by erryoiruye on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @11:49AM (#13811916)
Lyalin, the download links seems to be broken? Tried with multiple browsers now, no download is starting :(

https://www.visualstudio.com/thank-you-downloading-visual-st...

Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by argio on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @11:53AM (#13811977)
Worked after 10 tries or so. Just keep clicking retry
Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by erryoiruye on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @12:05PM (#13812147)
Thanks, got the vs_Community.exe after a bunch of tries.
Re:Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video] by LyalinDotCom on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @11:59AM (#13812055)
hmm very strange ill report it to the team, thank you both