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Re:Snap Tumbles Below IPO Opening Price as Analysts Say Sell by slededit on Monday March 06, 2017 @11:12PM (#13808218)
If a 12% single day drop doesn't count as a tumble then what would in your definition?
Re:Snap Tumbles Below IPO Opening Price as Analysts Say Sell by encoderer on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @12:16AM (#13808423)
You have to take it in context of relative volatility. There are products where a 12% move wouldn't be notable. In this case, it's under a week old. This expected volatility is why market makers do not sell options on ipo issues for a little while.

These kinds of stories are like basing a climate change story on unseasonably warm weather.

Re:Snap Tumbles Below IPO Opening Price as Analysts Say Sell by beejiu on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @03:09AM (#13808975)
In other words, people are using the market to determine the valuation rather than using the valuation to determine the market.
Re:Snap Tumbles Below IPO Opening Price as Analysts Say Sell by encoderer on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @08:44AM (#13810214)
This is how the market works. It's crowd sourcing valuations. It's not a bad thing. Do you have a better way to determine the valuation of a complex business?
Re:Snap Tumbles Below IPO Opening Price as Analysts Say Sell by beejiu on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @02:42PM (#13813958)
The purpose of the market is not to determine valuations, it is to facilitate transactions. The transactions happen at different prices (very close together) - the idea is the market participants (buyers and sellers) have their own ideas about valuation and enter transactions accordingly. All else is speculation.
Re:Snap Tumbles Below IPO Opening Price as Analysts Say Sell by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @09:29PM (#13817338)
> the purpose of the market is not to determine valuations

Promoting price discovery [1] is one of the fundamental features and functions of a market.

Side note: the line between "speculation" and "investing," where the former refers to short-term shareholding and the latter to a specific set of Graham-Dodd valuation models, is not a general economic term. It only makes sense when discussing Graham-Dodd investment styles, which are a subset of long-term financial investment styles, which are themselves a subset of the market.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discovery

Re:Snap Tumbles Below IPO Opening Price as Analysts Say Sell by fixermark on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @10:52AM (#13811294)
Sample over a wider time-window (a quarter, at least, seems reasonable; a year if you really want a sense of the business's pulse).

Motion in the stock right now is noise; possibly profitable noise for some people, but there's very little to draw conclusions from in these post-IPO fluctuations.

Re:Snap Tumbles Below IPO Opening Price as Analysts Say Sell by gcb0 on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @03:35AM (#13809065)
that's how it goes for companies without real profit.
Re:Snap Tumbles Below IPO Opening Price as Analysts Say Sell by ryanfreeborn on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @03:50AM (#13809123)
At least until after a few 10ks
Re:Snap Tumbles Below IPO Opening Price as Analysts Say Sell by xiaoma on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @07:30AM (#13809845)
I lost about 50% on my Apple stock in a single day shortly after buying it during the early 2000s. I didn't mean the company's actual business had drastically deteriorated. It just meant that shares I had previously evaluated to be a good purchase were now on sale and it was time to buy more.
Re:Snap Tumbles Below IPO Opening Price as Analysts Say Sell by option_greek on Monday March 06, 2017 @11:35PM (#13808304)
Not to mention list price usually acts as a good floor (unless the IPO was overpriced to begin with).