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Re:“Micro Breaks” with Stretching Enhance Surgeon Physical F... by jessriedel on Monday March 06, 2017 @10:52AM (#13803444)
Since the outcome metrics (pain) are self-reported, this study was essentially unblinded, right? That may simply be an inherent limitation that can't be avoided in this sort of study, but worth noting it opens up the door for a placebo effect.
Re:“Micro Breaks” with Stretching Enhance Surgeon Physical F... by Retric on Monday March 06, 2017 @11:32AM (#13803739)
There are some objective measurements you can make on surgeon performance. Things like rate of infection or other complications have variability but do relate to surgeon competence in aggregate. Assuming, random patient selection.
Re:“Micro Breaks” with Stretching Enhance Surgeon Physical F... by jessriedel on Monday March 06, 2017 @12:54PM (#13804500)
Sure, but you probably have to collect a lot more data to tease our such a tiny effect. Pain could plausibly be reduced by 50% with the correct exercises, but the complication rate would presumably change by at most a tiny amount.
Re:“Micro Breaks” with Stretching Enhance Surgeon Physical F... by wtvanhest on Monday March 06, 2017 @01:31PM (#13804855)
One solution would be to change the test to "perceived pain". It doesn't matter if the person feels pain or not, if they perceive that they don't feel pain and it is less of a mental burden on them, stretching worked.
Re:“Micro Breaks” with Stretching Enhance Surgeon Physical F... by wry_discontent on Monday March 06, 2017 @10:56AM (#13803477)
To some extent, isn't the placebo effect good enough?

If my goal is to feel more focused, that's an inherently subjective thing. If I feel like I'm more focused, I am more focused. So the placebo effect and a more objectively observed result are essentially the same here.

Re:“Micro Breaks” with Stretching Enhance Surgeon Physical F... by jessriedel on Monday March 06, 2017 @11:23AM (#13803669)
> If I feel like I'm more focused, I am more focused.

But the end goal is almost never to feel more focused, the end goal is to (say) accomplish a task faster or more accurately. And there are definitely placebo interventions that make people feel like they are doing things better without actually doing anything better.

Likewise, in this case, the end goal is for the surgeons to have a longer career. It's easy to imagine a placebo intervention that makes one feel better, but doesn't actually reduce wear-and-tear on joints, and hence doesn't prolong one's career.

Also, like the other commenter said: placebo effects are often less reliable or generalizable outside the specific context of the study. They may be motivated by, e.g., a subconscious desire to please the experimenter which goes away in real-life circumstances. Actual physiological interventions are much less likely to do this.

Re:“Micro Breaks” with Stretching Enhance Surgeon Physical F... by notheguyouthink on Monday March 06, 2017 @11:04AM (#13803528)
Isn't part of the problem with placebo is that it's unreliable?

Eg, if you can give me a way to achieve some amazing pain relief as a result of placebo, every time, it feels to me like this crosses the line from placebo to medicine.

The mind can do some crazy things, but we need to make it do these things reliably. I don't want a placebo form of anesthesia only to have it not work mis surgery haha. If however you can replace anesthesia with a placebo (purely as an example).. i almost feel like it's real medicine then. A technique to replace chemicals sure, but testable and reliable.