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Re:Electronic meters’ false readings up to six times higher ... by Toomas on Sunday March 05, 2017 @01:28AM (#13794869)
I'm no electrician but I'm sure 3-phase meters are a norm in Estonia. You would usually have devices with high power requirement like electric water heaters and ovens connected to separate phases. And they are often sitting idle as well.
Re:Electronic meters’ false readings up to six times higher ... by sathackr on Sunday March 05, 2017 @01:36AM (#13794885)
In the US, devices with high power requirements are generally connected "between" phases -- the phase-to-neutral voltage is(depending on your transformer configuration) generally 120v, with some configurations generating 208v from 1 of the 3 phases to neutral. Phase-to-phase voltage is generally 220-240v.

Loads that span all 3 phases are generally motor loads that will benefit from the rotating magnetic field that 3-phase service provides -- such as pumps and compressors.

3 phase power to residential is rare in the US.

Re:Electronic meters’ false readings up to six times higher ... by sbierwagen on Monday March 06, 2017 @12:51AM (#13800924)
You're confusing two subtly different things.

Residential power in North America is usually delivered as "split phase", +120V, neutral, and -120V. (180 degrees out of phase: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOh2OSJ44eE) The voltage across the two hot conductors is 240V, which is used for big stuff. You get it by tapping a transformer in the middle of a coil: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split-phase_electric_power

Three phase power has three hot conductors, 120 degrees out of phase to each other. In the US it can be delivered at a bunch of different voltages, depending on what transformer the customer installs, but generally I worked with 277/480. (277V hot to neutral, 480V hot to hot. Generally all commercial lighting runs on 277V.)

And to be specific, three phase is primarily useful because motors that use it are self-starting, you don't need to capacitor-and-switch arrangement single phase motors use, which frequently break. Less important now that most big motors use VFDs. Also, supposedly due to some frequency voodoo you don't need to use as much cable when running three phrase transmission cable.

Re:Electronic meters’ false readings up to six times higher ... by sathackr on Monday March 06, 2017 @07:26AM (#13802226)
Thanks for the clarification and much more detailed explanation. I was aware of the split-phase nuance and have been hit by 277 a couple of not-so-fun times.

As to the benefit to motors, it was my understanding that using split-phase or a single phase and a capacitor creates a less-than-optimal magnetic field which results in more noise/vibration and wear on the motor as opposed to 3 phase.

Re:Electronic meters’ false readings up to six times higher ... by rplst8 on Monday March 06, 2017 @03:51PM (#13805950)
There also exists 120/208 three phase in the US. 120V phase to neutral, 208V phase to phase. It's very common in commercial buildings that don't have big loads.
Re:Electronic meters’ false readings up to six times higher ... by snom380 on Sunday March 05, 2017 @01:35AM (#13794883)
Same in Norway. Almost all new installations have 3-phase.
Re:Electronic meters’ false readings up to six times higher ... by semi-extrinsic on Sunday March 05, 2017 @02:35AM (#13795008)
Norway is a different case from most of the rest of the world, we run what's called an IT network earthing system where there is no neutral lead. Everything is connected between two phases getting 240v, and the earth wire is tapped from an actual metal rod dug into the earth.

This setup is pretty much a mess, and can wreak havoc on laboratory setups, so e.g. at universities all the lab rooms are laid out with TN (the standard everyone else uses). This means you can mess stuff up in the lab by running an extension cord from the adjacent non-lab room (e.g. get large ground voltage differences, all sorts of wanky stuff).