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Re:How Uber Used Secret “Greyball” Tool to Deceive Authoriti... by alphonsegaston on Friday March 03, 2017 @02:54PM (#13785761)
What if local law enforcement officer was posing undercover as an Uber customer as part of a sexual assault investigation or trying to track down all drivers in relation to a recent crime?

This is framed as getting around restrictions on taxi services, but any time you proactively thwart law enforcement, you're inviting a lot of dangerous unintended consequences. None of which I'm sure Uber is concerned about.

Re:How Uber Used Secret “Greyball” Tool to Deceive Authoriti... by JorgeGT on Friday March 03, 2017 @03:34PM (#13786209)
> any time you proactively thwart law enforcement, you're inviting a lot of dangerous unintended consequences.

I'm curious, what do you think about Google's "State-sponsored attackers are trying to compromise your account" warning? [1] Maybe it's police officers trying to break into the Gmail account of a pedophile or a terrorist, and Google is thwarting these efforts by warning the suspect.

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[1] https://arstechnica.com/security/2012/06/google-state-sponso...

Re:How Uber Used Secret “Greyball” Tool to Deceive Authoriti... by alphonsegaston on Friday March 03, 2017 @03:57PM (#13786453)
That's interesting. I hadn't thought about that set of circumstances. It would take me more time/length than a message board comment to work through the ethics of that, but point well taken.
Re:How Uber Used Secret “Greyball” Tool to Deceive Authoriti... by JoshTriplett on Friday March 03, 2017 @03:18PM (#13786021)
> What if local law enforcement officer was posing undercover as an Uber customer as part of a sexual assault investigation or trying to track down all drivers in relation to a recent crime?

If they were, then I suspect that Uber would go out of their way to cooperate, using the detailed information they have on ride histories. Get a warrant, serve it to Uber, and get the data needed for the investigation.

This ignores the question of whether Uber should gather and keep that much information, but given that they do, using it seems far more useful than anything this mechanism would have thwarted.

Re:How Uber Used Secret “Greyball” Tool to Deceive Authoriti... by alphonsegaston on Friday March 03, 2017 @03:28PM (#13786154)
They're pre-emptively choosing to obstruct enforcement of whatever laws they deem unacceptable. So that's quite a rosy expectation about their willingness to cooperate.
Re:How Uber Used Secret “Greyball” Tool to Deceive Authoriti... by redbergy on Friday March 03, 2017 @03:46PM (#13786335)
I don't think you could consider this obstruction. It's their service, it's private, they can serve data to users the way they wish. There is a method and a system in place if law enforcement can prove they need unfettered access – a warrant issued by a judge.
Re:How Uber Used Secret “Greyball” Tool to Deceive Authoriti... by jdminhbg on Friday March 03, 2017 @03:38PM (#13786250)
The US has a pretty robust system for dealing with this. Get a warrant.
Re:How Uber Used Secret “Greyball” Tool to Deceive Authoriti... by danielweber on Friday March 03, 2017 @05:06PM (#13787235)
If you want a company to cooperate, you give them a subpoena, and order them to keep quiet until arrests have been made.

When you try to play things on the sly, it's your fault if some third party thinks you're a rat.

Re:How Uber Used Secret “Greyball” Tool to Deceive Authoriti... by a3n on Friday March 03, 2017 @03:35PM (#13786216)
A sideways thought: this could be a good way for a criminal to vet someone before a meeting. "Take an Uber and meet me at 1st and Green."
Re:How Uber Used Secret “Greyball” Tool to Deceive Authoriti... by mmcwilliams on Saturday March 04, 2017 @10:21AM (#13791216)
Taking this further, it could be a useful way for larger criminal organizations to identify potential undercover officers that have infiltrated them. I'm sure now that this information is public it will make it easier for drug cartels and the like to isolate and "remove" certain individuals.
Re:How Uber Used Secret “Greyball” Tool to Deceive Authoriti... by ThrustVectoring on Friday March 03, 2017 @03:42PM (#13786291)
Facebook is already better, with number of mutual friends. It does require having a social circle that's relatively immune from law enforcement coercion.
Re:How Uber Used Secret “Greyball” Tool to Deceive Authoriti... by a3n on Saturday March 04, 2017 @05:03PM (#13793149)
I'm not on facebook. Does that make me trustworthy or untrustworthy to a potential criminal employer? :)
Re:How Uber Used Secret “Greyball” Tool to Deceive Authoriti... by sageikosa on Friday March 03, 2017 @03:57PM (#13786460)
Maybe get a court order?