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Re:Why we are not leaving the cloud by cookiecaper on Thursday March 02, 2017 @05:40PM (#13778970)
I've seen businesses move to the cloud and cost themselves millions of dollars in doing so. I'm not sure where you're coming from believing that cloud always offers a massive savings. It's possible that in some circumstances, cloud will be cheaper, but I actually think that more often than not, it's more expensive.

It's ludicrous that you suggest that anyone who is not willing to dive head-first into 100% cloud everything should be fired. The cloud has a place, but there's no reason that cloud should be the only option, as you appear to suggest.

Re:Why we are not leaving the cloud by morgante on Thursday March 02, 2017 @05:49PM (#13779052)
I have not once said that cloud is the only option. You're arguing with a straw man.

If you're spending millions on infrastructure, you should absolutely do a rigorous analysis of whether the cloud is better or worse.

Re:Why we are not leaving the cloud by cookiecaper on Thursday March 02, 2017 @06:04PM (#13779181)
Yeah, it's not a direct quote. However, that is how I interpret the sentiment that those who fight the cloud will be fired. You suggest that's an unfair interpretation? You can say "cloud may not be the only option" all you want, but "those who oppose cloud will be fired" ensures that somehow, everyone in your organization will believe the cloud to be a supremely good option. :)
Re:Why we are not leaving the cloud by morgante on Thursday March 02, 2017 @10:02PM (#13780430)
Because I do fully believe that the cloud is the superior solution for most businesses, especially those employing sysadmins.

I've seen way too many companies with full-time sysadmins maintaining only a few dozen servers. The significant cost savings come from eliminating those positions.

Re:Why we are not leaving the cloud by cookiecaper on Thursday March 02, 2017 @11:15PM (#13780701)
Who administers the servers after you eliminate those positions? Sysadmins mostly do operating system administration, not hardware maintenance. AWS boots you into an empty operating system that still needs to be configured, secured, backed up, etc. You still need sysadmins! In fact, cloud tends to require more of them because people spawn a lot of instances.

If you have a bunch of idle sysadmins because you thought you'd have to replace a system's drive every week and hired 4 extra hardware-only sysadmins, you can probably fire them without moving to the cloud and save even more money, right?

Re:Why we are not leaving the cloud by morgante on Thursday March 02, 2017 @11:22PM (#13780719)
If you can treat your instances as ephemeral, it's a lot easier to manage them.