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Re:The myth of using Scala as a better Java by ThrustVectoring on Thursday March 02, 2017 @03:08PM (#13777727)
>Like seriously how does using a particular language make you want/enjoy making things more complex?

It's not the language, it's the community that uses the language. It's working with people who tolerate working in that language and with that sort of people. The Java community drives out developers with an aesthetic revulsion for things like a ShoelaceTyingStrategyFactory, and you're left with the dregs.

In short, the causation is backwards - folks who want to or enjoy making things more complex end up using Java more often.

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Re:The myth of using Scala as a better Java by agentgt on Thursday March 02, 2017 @04:05PM (#13778209)
> In short, the causation is backwards - folks who want to or enjoy making things more complex end up using Java more often.

That is complete utter nonsense. Developers most likely use Java because

1. they have to which is the case for Android or using existing libraries/code base or

2. because they already know it which is typically caused originally by number 1.

3. The language is still one of the popular language so for many it is a safe bet.

As for ShoelaceTyingStrategyFactory... I have seen that crap in Typescript, I have seen it in C#, I have seen it in Objective C... Its caused by complex annoying needless requirements.

See what happens with Java can happen with any language where you are don't have a proper development process of removing needless requirements. You end up with complexity. And yeah sure some people enjoy solving complex things and making it scale but the neither the language nor the community caused that.

Now if you are talking about the spec writers like the JSR authors... yes those guys actually had it in there interest to make it complex because their company would be the only company that could make a reference implementation (for example Day software with JSR 283). But this is not the Java developer community as a whole.

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Re:The myth of using Scala as a better Java by ThrustVectoring on Thursday March 02, 2017 @07:11PM (#13779627)
I'm making the exact opposite point. People use Java for whatever reasons, it's not really a contributing factor. People avoid Java because of ShoelaceTyingStrategyFactory reasons. How likely is the average Java developer to make a ShoelaceTyingStrategyFactory when you convince the vast majority of people who avoid that sort of thing to use a different language?
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