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Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by icebraining on Thursday March 02, 2017 @11:14AM (#13775179)
Yeap, if they're going to shoot other people, might as well make it official.

Yes, I'm being facetious, but if we're going to have reeducation camps paid by public money, I'd rather have them learn more useful things than how to handle military equipment.

Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by BurningFrog on Thursday March 02, 2017 @12:42PM (#13776229)
There is a ton of real world experience that "troubled" kids often become reliable citizens by a few years in the military.

What they learn is working in a team, taking responsibility and being accountable.

Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by colechristensen on Thursday March 02, 2017 @12:48PM (#13776300)
Not to mention that actual combat skill is a small minority of what is needed and trained in the military. Sure, the cook has a gun and knows how to use it, but otherwise he's more or less a cook only. Ditto for very very many positions both high and low skilled.
Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by icebraining on Thursday March 02, 2017 @04:29PM (#13778404)
That's my whole point: since it's such a small minority already, let's take it out completely and replace it with something better.
Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by colechristensen on Thursday March 02, 2017 @07:34PM (#13779775)
You can't.

Armed forces are the legitimized monopoly of violence which are for better or worse absolutely necessary for the nation states of today and any time in the foreseeable future. The military's rigid command hierarchy and strict rules and ideas of duty really don't have any place in free society outside that monopoly. While it is absolutely necessary in a military to have the actions of many people dictated by the will of a single person, outside of that environment the necessity would be artificial and arguably the situation would be tantamount to slavery.

In other words it just isn't possible to recreate the structured existence of a soldier outside of a military force without extending the military well beyond the external force it must exclude itself to or legitimizing pseudo-slavery conditions. The costs of military upkeep are likewise very justifiable. Not that everything the military does is good or necessary, but the baseline of _having_ a military is fairly universally accepted as needed. Making up something else would look like a handout or a cost center and wouldn't stand up to the test of time and support.