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Re:Damian Conway on Perl and its future by draegtun on Tuesday May 25, 2010 @09:52AM (#1377409)
There is nothing sad about Damian Conway. I highly recommend you catch one of his many presentations and most likely you will come away feeling intensely thought provoked and definitely not "sad" :)
Re:Damian Conway on Perl and its future by klein_waffle on Tuesday May 25, 2010 @12:46PM (#1377878)
I have seen Damian's amazing presentations and I still feel sad for what's happened to Perl since he became a strong influence.

I believe he is the one who has most encouraged the tendencies which led to the Perl 6 debacle. His strong charisma has made it acceptable to have the following attitudes in the Perl 6 effort:

- Actual use by mortal programmers is boring; satisfying your desire to be brilliant and clever is what matters

- Complexity and obscurity are fun. Perl is good or popular because the language is complex, therefore the next version of Perl should be even more complex.

Perl 6 really has nothing to do with Perl 5. It's more like those movies that say "a movie by the producers of $THING_THAT_WAS_AWESOME" which neglect to mention the script and the director are different.

Re:Damian Conway on Perl and its future by sigzero on Tuesday May 25, 2010 @02:30PM (#1378147)
I have thought and continue to think that Perl6 is running the VB.NET route. VB.NET had a cursory relationship to VB but they really are two different languages.
Re:Damian Conway on Perl and its future by chromatic on Tuesday May 25, 2010 @04:52PM (#1378577)
None of those attitudes drive the design of Perl 6. Why do you believe they do?
Re:Damian Conway on Perl and its future by berntb on Tuesday May 25, 2010 @06:40PM (#1378883)
I had decided to not comment any more in this thread because the language trolls got started, but...

This is what Conway is claimed to be influencing:

>>- Actual use by mortal programmers is boring; satisfying your desire to be brilliant and clever is what matters [etc]

Go check who wrote "Perl Best Practices". Better yet, read the book.

(And please don't try arguing "REAL influence", or something...)