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Re:A majority of millennials now reject capitalism, poll shows by ehnto on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:32PM (#13760826)
I find myself between the two ecosystems quite often and I have to admit I find it hard to know how to represent both sides fairly in discussions. It is definitely not a bipartisan issue. There is no us vs them, it is simply one big group of people where those on the bottom of the system are struggling to affect the smaller changes needed to make life more sustainable for them.

They aren't big changes either, small incremental policy changes make huge differences to individuals. Those individuals just don't have the capacity after work, or the connections, to advocate effectively for themselves.

Re:A majority of millennials now reject capitalism, poll shows by dasil003 on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:48PM (#13760922)
> Those individuals just don't have the capacity after work, or the connections, to advocate effectively for themselves.

It's not just that, but it's the fact that it takes a huge amount study to even understand how things like the national economy work. Business people and the upper class already have a huge leg up in this because it's their bread and butter. Poor people and shift workers really need to go out of their way to learn the ins and outs.

And what ruins the whole endeavor is the fact that it is much easier to cherry-pick statistics and spin any given policy decision to adhere to a certain message and populist ideology. Republicans have mastered the art of spinning every talking point to appeal to rural and working class voters while maintaining a firm agenda benefitting the special interests they claim to be against. Not that Democrats are objectively any better—the two party system ensures that anyone with deep enough pockets can just donate to both sides and not worry too much about anyone with real principles standing in their way. But considering that Trump has managed to paint himself as somehow being of and for The People despite the most elite and privileged trust-fund roots imaginable really goes to show what an uphill battle it will be to make real progress.

It is sometimes said that truth is powerful, but in an increasingly complex world with cheaper and cheaper information production and distribution, propaganda is gaining power much faster than the populace's capacity to understand it.

Re:A majority of millennials now reject capitalism, poll shows by Eridrus on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @02:53PM (#13767606)
> small incremental policy changes make huge differences to individuals

I'm curious to hear what small changes you think will have a huge difference.

Re:A majority of millennials now reject capitalism, poll shows by ehnto on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @09:50PM (#13771010)
Well most recently where I live, they changed the "non-business hours" penalty rates for workers. Basically if you make most of your money by working a night or weekend job, you can have your pay cut by half of what it currently is.

A win for corporates, and even a win for small businesses who were struggling to afford it.

But ultimately taking the money from the lower end workers and passing it up the chain instead.

Who do you think made that policy change? Who do you think would have fought against it if they both knew about it and had the means to advocate against it?

Those who couldn't fight for themselves were trodden on in that particular small policy change.

Re:A majority of millennials now reject capitalism, poll shows by Eridrus on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @11:05PM (#13771319)
I guess I don't see this as a "huge" difference in the grand scheme of things (one locality, largely only impacts non-tip minimum wage workers outside of business hours), though the impacted individuals will certainly disagree.

I guess it seems like there are small changes that have large impacts on specific people, but that's true of all change at the margins.

Re:A majority of millennials now reject capitalism, poll shows by ehnto on Thursday March 02, 2017 @02:15AM (#13772187)
That was my argument though, small changes in policy help particular groups in huge ways, but those same groups have difficulty making changes or avoiding negative ones because of their position in the system.

To put it into perspective though, that particular law affects hospitality workers the most. More than 60% of women and minorities are employed by that industry here, and so the change directly affects already marginalized individuals.

Their pay is essentially bikeshed by people way above their pay grade and stature in society, who unsurprisingly decided it wasn't that important.