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Re:A crater formed in Siberia's permafrost is growing by flukus on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @01:24AM (#13751726)
> It was so large there was no feasible way to even transport such a device other than maybe building it on a suicide ship.

Why is that not feasible? If they could get it on a submarine they could detonate in most of the worlds major cities.

Re:A crater formed in Siberia's permafrost is growing by M_Grey on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @08:55AM (#13753728)
Most of the world's major cities are not under water AFAIK.
Re:A crater formed in Siberia's permafrost is growing by vidarh on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @09:29AM (#13753931)
No, but most of the largest cities are coastal, and you are somewhat more likely to get into a harbour with a hostile sub than with a hostile warship.
Re:A crater formed in Siberia's permafrost is growing by M_Grey on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @09:59AM (#13754151)
I really doubt that. I can't imagine that the US and the UK for example, don't have sonar networks and other means to detect subs. It might be nearly impossible to track a boomer in open ocean, but they're not designed for littoral operations and sonar networks are much more effective there. You also have to cope with an airforce and patrolling navy.

All in all, you're mostly likely to nuke the nearby ocean, rendering it mostly a radiological/environmental weapon. When you consider that you can far more easily launch a combined 100MT in smaller payloads, with a higher resulting degree of destruction than a single 100MT warhead...

Re:A crater formed in Siberia's permafrost is growing by flukus on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:16PM (#13760708)
I'm sure they could detect the sub, but the also have to be able to identify it as hostile and act before it can reach the city, which can take much longer. I also wonder if it's possible to "hide" under a cargo ship to escape detection?
Re:A crater formed in Siberia's permafrost is growing by vidarh on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @01:40PM (#13756405)
The key phrase being "somewhat more likely".

I'm not arguing effectiveness. I was arguing against the "not under water" bit, after the person you responded to suggested a sub over a ship.

Re:A crater formed in Siberia's permafrost is growing by Retric on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:53AM (#13754617)
But at that point ~1/2 your detonation is over the ocean and useless. Further, unless you surface the water will dramatically reduce the bombs effectiveness.
Re:A crater formed in Siberia's permafrost is growing by vidarh on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @01:42PM (#13756427)
You're still going to do a lot better than approaching with a ship that is plainly visible to anyone, and which will be taken out before it gets anywhere close, was the point.
Re:A crater formed in Siberia's permafrost is growing by Retric on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @02:41PM (#13757101)
Sure, but an ICBM with a single 10MT detonation would be dramatically better than both as you want it up in the air and over the population center. Remember the closet km is always gone, it's a question of what appens further out that's important. And thus you don't want a line of buildings to protect anything.
Re:A crater formed in Siberia's permafrost is growing by flukus on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:18PM (#13760727)
If your target is the city/population. If it's the president then a surprise attack would be better, although I doubt a nuke carrying enemy sub would be able to get that close.
Re:A crater formed in Siberia's permafrost is growing by Retric on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @02:26PM (#13767309)
Peak speed for an ICBM is in the ballpark of 6-7km/s (any faster and the payload would go orbital), and it takes about 10 minutes to accelerate to that speed. That's New York to Moscow in around 20 minutes.

So, a sub 1,000 miles from shore can hit you faster than you can get out of the blast range when you include a modest detection > reaction delay unless your sitting in an airport. It's vaguely possible you could get into a bunker in that time period, but unless you sleep in a bunker even that's not really viable.

However, by setting up things to respond in the event of a nuclear attack it does not really matter if you take out DC / Moscow as the other subs can respond anyway.

Re:A crater formed in Siberia's permafrost is growing by vidarh on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @02:48PM (#13757181)
Maybe, but I was not discussing whether or not it was practical.
Re:A crater formed in Siberia's permafrost is growing by Retric on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @03:28PM (#13757526)
In warfare it's only the practical things that really matter. You might attach a grenade launcher, but you don't give people double barreled rifles.