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Re:Two Indian engineers at Garmin in Kansas shot, one killed by DanielBMarkham on Friday February 24, 2017 @09:41AM (#13724013)
There's an implication here that there is some form of organized political desire that you are acting to further -- and that you are deliberately planning to further that effort.

The KKK were terrorists. White bigots in the south were not. They were just bigots. Every stupid, angry, bigoted and violent person is not a terrorist.

To me an almost classic example is that couple out in California that shot up those folks. They had planned for weeks, bought gear, posted online. They were even shooting video in order to publish of the attacks as they occurred. That's terrorism.

Re:Two Indian engineers at Garmin in Kansas shot, one killed by throwaway729 on Friday February 24, 2017 @10:36AM (#13724564)
> There's an implication here that there is some form of organized political desire that you are acting to further -- and that you are deliberately planning to further that effort.

In that case, I would argue that this attack fits your definition of terrorism.

The political ideology is white nationalism clothed in Islamophobic garb.

The immediate political desire is, in the attacker's own words, "get out of my country!"

It's hard to argue that killing someone (and by extension making people like them fear for their safety) is not a deliberate and planned way of getting "them" -- both the individual and the group that individual supposedly represents -- out of your country.

Re:Two Indian engineers at Garmin in Kansas shot, one killed by DanielBMarkham on Friday February 24, 2017 @06:39PM (#13728972)
I find this a very difficult argument to accept, but I appreciate your sharing it.

I believe you are conflating "having a political desire" with "...an implication here that there is some form of organized political desire that you are acting to further.."

If a man loved Nazis in 1938 and blew himself up in Times Square?

Not terrorism. There's no use of stealth in a pre-meditated way to instill fear to enact some political change. It's just some Nazi schmuck blowing himself up.

Apologies if I'm responding to what I think you are saying instead of what you are, but fuck me. There's a huge difference in talking about what people feel and what they do, right? I feel a bunch of damned fool things, Never thought that this was some sort of topic for political debate.

Re:Two Indian engineers at Garmin in Kansas shot, one killed by throwaway729 on Saturday February 25, 2017 @12:24PM (#13732574)
No, I agree this is a topic upon which reasonable people can disagree. And I agree with your example.

The problem is that a bunch of disparate unorganized attacks can have the same effect as a coordinated intentional terror campaign. At that point, you have to decide whether terror is defined by intent or effect.

One Nazi in times square? OK, not terror. A dozen Nazis all across America, even if uncoordinated? Terror.

I default to intent but am also liberal in allowing effect to stand in for intent.

Re:Two Indian engineers at Garmin in Kansas shot, one killed by hyperpape on Friday February 24, 2017 @11:08AM (#13724868)
Jim Crow was organized. When White Supremacy was the law of the land, and the police wouldn't prosecute the killing of a black man, that's organization.