Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets
by etler on Friday February 24, 2017 @06:07AM
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Couldn't they do a chip and pin style hardware solution where a security chip generates a response using a unique secret algorithm?
Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets
by kuschku on Friday February 24, 2017 @08:06AM
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That would work — until someone decaps a few of these chips.
They're already doing something similar, after all.
Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets
by MertsA on Friday February 24, 2017 @01:49PM
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But that's really not the case here. Making secure computing elements like TPMs or HSMs, or Apple's Secure Enclave or the plethora of other devices out there is a solved problem. You can decap it and try to get that data out of it but at the very least with the current state of the art you can make this very unlikely to succeed and extremely expensive to even attempt.
Handwaving away all of this as just a minor nuisance is silly. An attacker would have to find some unknown side channel or try to physically modify the TPM to get at the data, either approach means the attacker has significant resources, certainly well beyond the means of our hypothetical attacker. Heck, it's been speculated that even the NSA couldn't get data out of something like Apple's Secure Enclave without risking destroying it in an attempt.
Google can only verify what hardware you're running by sending a packet via ethernet to your device. You control all software running on your device, and can send a spoofed result.
If you were crazy, you could even just emulate Google's hardware entirely and proxy all requests to that emulated hardware.
Nonetheless, while this guy certainly wouldn't be able to do it, many Google employees would.