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Re:Video Pros Moving from Mac to Windows for High-End GPUs by stcredzero on Thursday February 23, 2017 @11:11PM (#13720921)
I'm moving to an ASUS laptop with a GTX 1070 GPU. I should be able to do all of my game development on it, be able to play games and do VR, and keep my old Macbook Pro around just in case I do any iOS stuff.
Re:Video Pros Moving from Mac to Windows for High-End GPUs by JohnTHaller on Friday February 24, 2017 @12:58AM (#13721410)
The fact that a full-blown Windows gaming laptop with a GTX 1070 in it is about the same cost as the entry level Macbook Pro (with integrated graphics) is a good reason to.
Re:Video Pros Moving from Mac to Windows for High-End GPUs by astrodust on Friday February 24, 2017 @03:37AM (#13722060)
In my day to day work the GPU is virtually irrelevant. If you're a game dev obviously this is different, but most people aren't.
Re:Video Pros Moving from Mac to Windows for High-End GPUs by lightedman on Friday February 24, 2017 @11:05AM (#13724838)
I think you underestimate just how much stuff is moving towards being GPU-run instead of CPU-run.
Re:Video Pros Moving from Mac to Windows for High-End GPUs by astrodust on Friday February 24, 2017 @11:52PM (#13730124)
I think you underestimate how good the default GPU is getting. It's normally more than adequate for those sorts of tasks.

If you're doing specialized work you may need a specialized system, but you're an exception to the rule.

Most developers are stuck in Sublime or Visual Studio all day.

Re:Video Pros Moving from Mac to Windows for High-End GPUs by lightedman on Saturday February 25, 2017 @05:29AM (#13730958)
I think you just ignored my entire comment just to try to repeat about half of my words back at me. Care to try again?
Re:Video Pros Moving from Mac to Windows for High-End GPUs by JohnTHaller on Friday February 24, 2017 @11:26AM (#13725035)
Game dev, video rendering, machine learning, statistical analysis, CAD/3D work, graphics design, a little cryptocurrency mining on the side, etc, etc. GPUs are used for a lot more than games.
Re:Video Pros Moving from Mac to Windows for High-End GPUs by stcredzero on Friday February 24, 2017 @01:21PM (#13726157)
Right. "The GPU is irrelevant to my day to day work," is actually saying that exploiting large amounts of embarrassingly parallel processing is irrelevant. It's more likely in the medium to long-term, that the relevance just hasn't been discovered yet.
Re:Video Pros Moving from Mac to Windows for High-End GPUs by JohnTHaller on Friday February 24, 2017 @01:38PM (#13726315)
I was responding to: "If you're a game dev obviously this is different, but most people aren't." A GPU may not be relevant to you specifically, but it's relevant to far more people than just game devs.
Re:Video Pros Moving from Mac to Windows for High-End GPUs by stcredzero on Friday February 24, 2017 @02:16PM (#13726715)
Just to clarify: I'm agreeing with you, not disagreeing.
Re:Video Pros Moving from Mac to Windows for High-End GPUs by astrodust on Friday February 24, 2017 @11:54PM (#13730129)
For the workflow of most people it's completely irrelevant.

Where it is relevant you can run tasks server-side where you have absurd amounts of GPU, none of which would fit in a dinky notebook.

Re:Video Pros Moving from Mac to Windows for High-End GPUs by astrodust on Friday February 24, 2017 @11:53PM (#13730126)
Edge cases, all of them. Most devs do not need high-end GPUs. Those that do often steer towards specialized workstations.
Re:Video Pros Moving from Mac to Windows for High-End GPUs by nitemice on Thursday February 23, 2017 @11:21PM (#13720978)
This seems to be a common story. I've got a lot of friends (new graduates) who are in the same position.

Their other motivator for moving away from the Macbook is buying a new one would cost an arm & a leg, whereas you can get a much more powerful machine for a fraction of the price from someone else.

Re:Video Pros Moving from Mac to Windows for High-End GPUs by adameast9000 on Friday February 24, 2017 @12:59AM (#13721415)
This has been true for years though; I'm curious as to why I hear it more often now. You've always been able to get more bang for your buck with a Windows machine, but that didn't stop MacBooks from selling.
Re:Video Pros Moving from Mac to Windows for High-End GPUs by WildUtah on Friday February 24, 2017 @01:16AM (#13721486)
You've always been able to get more bang for your buck with a Windows machine

Actually, Apple has been selling price competitive or even cheap machines compared to other offerings with similar performance for years. From 2007-2015 Apple consistently had the best prices for pro laptops and desktop machines among offerings with comparable build quality.

The $300 price bump for equivalent machines in 2016 and disappointing spec upgrades in 2015 and 2016 are a new deviation.

The price performance advantage of Windows machines is returning from a very long hiatus. And for Mac users it's unwelcome.

Tim Cook's Apple, of course, is all about high margins and raising average selling price. They're eating the seed corn to squeeze out more short term profits. We'll see how long it lasts.

Re:Video Pros Moving from Mac to Windows for High-End GPUs by visarga on Friday February 24, 2017 @01:41AM (#13721586)
It really shows that Tim is no Steve. There has been zero amazing news from Apple since Steve passed away.
Re:Video Pros Moving from Mac to Windows for High-End GPUs by WildUtah on Friday February 24, 2017 @02:06AM (#13721666)
There has been amazing news from Apple since Steve died. There was the introduction two years before everyone else of the new blazing fast ARM AARCH 64. There was retina notebooks. There was the design and thumbprint reader tech on iPhone5.

But all of those were built and designed while Steve was leading Apple. They're like little amazing tech gifts from beyond the grave. It just takes a while to get to mass market.

There has been nothing amazing that started while Tim Cook has been running the place except raising margins by making base products less useful. Keeping the crippling 16GB limit on base iPhones for three extra years while camera images grew and grew was a bold move to drive up average selling price at the expense of customer happiness.

Re:Video Pros Moving from Mac to Windows for High-End GPUs by TheOtherHobbes on Friday February 24, 2017 @05:02AM (#13722414)
That's the fundamental Cook flaw. He prioritises short-term margins over long-term product farming and ecosystem management.

And he's very good at it. But it's a strategy that literally has a limited shelf life. First you get an exodus of early adopters and creative users, and eventually you get a catastrophic product failure that does a lot of damage to the brand.

Apple isn't there yet, but I'll be surprised if that failure hasn't happened by 2020.

Of course there may be One More Thing in the R&D labs to save the day. But Cook has a poor record with original R&D, so it's optimistic to assume that's going to be happen.

I'd love to be wrong about that, but the smoke signals suggest otherwise.

WWDC this year will be a turning point. The theme is the liberal arts and we'll see whether that means a return to pro hardware, or just some hand-wavey presentation rhetoric.

Re:Video Pros Moving from Mac to Windows for High-End GPUs by snowwrestler on Friday February 24, 2017 @04:35AM (#13722275)
There was almost zero "amazing" news from Apple while Steve was alive. The vast majority of Apple keynotes were "this year's machine is a bit smaller/ faster/ thinner etc.

And a lot of the very successful products were panned when they came out, including OS X, the iPod, the MacBook Air, etc.

Most of those only took off after a few iterations and changes. The iPod only took off after it went USB for Windows. The iPhone only took off after it got 3G and the App Store. The MacBook Air only took off after a redesign and big price drop.