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Re:Web prototype of Mail.app by derefr on Sunday May 23, 2010 @03:26AM (#1371987)
Ha, this is exactly the converse of what I've been craving :) Does anyone know if there's an OSX-native mail client designed specifically around Gmail's UI affordances (labels, archiving, etc.)?
Re:Web prototype of Mail.app by aniketh on Sunday May 23, 2010 @03:54AM (#1372004)
Have you looked at mailplane http://mailplaneapp.com/ ?
Re:Web prototype of Mail.app by derefr on Sunday May 23, 2010 @04:11AM (#1372013)
I have, but I'm not craving extra integration, just a more Cocoa-y chrome that loads faster. Mailplane still relies on loading Gmail's HTML/JS/CSS to display itself; it's no better in that regard than creating a Fluid.app called Gmail (which is what I've done for now.)

Right now I can click on my Gmail bookmark in an already-open Safari session, then open the Mail app on my iPhone, read and archive three messages and close it before Gmail is even finished loading on my computer. Mail.app, on the other hand, has a ridiculously-slow IMAP sync every time I open it, wants to keep a local index of every message (9/10ths of my used Gmail quota is in the index, since I always send files out-of-band) instead of using Gmail's search API, has no conception of labels, and does its own horrible local spam-filtering, and no conversation view.

So, to reiterate: why can't there be a native OSX mail client that uses Gmail's API, and exposes the UI affordances appropriate to that API, while being made completely of regular Obj-C/Cocoa, and not loading a Webkit component unless it has to render an HTML message?

Re:Web prototype of Mail.app by m_eiman on Sunday May 23, 2010 @04:26AM (#1372027)
Mail.app actually has a conversation view these days, someone told me earlier this week!
Re:Web prototype of Mail.app by ComputerGuru on Sunday May 23, 2010 @04:34AM (#1372032)
I don't think so... I've been using Mail.app for 2 years now, haven't come across this feature.
Re:Web prototype of Mail.app by bensummers on Sunday May 23, 2010 @04:45AM (#1372038)
From the menus: View / Organise by thread
Re:Web prototype of Mail.app by evilbit on Sunday May 23, 2010 @07:26AM (#1372134)
It sucks. It blindly groups messages by subject, regardless of whether they're actually related, e.g. for me it grouped all empty subject messages from a span of 6+ years that I've had this Gmail account (I never delete email).
Re:Web prototype of Mail.app by intranation on Sunday May 23, 2010 @08:48AM (#1372180)
Gmail does that too—it doesn't respect the Thread-ID header (Mail.app does).
Re:Web prototype of Mail.app by jhancock on Sunday May 23, 2010 @10:57AM (#1372367)
I've been using Thunderbird v3 the last few months to handle interacting with 6 gmail accounts. Its the best experience I've found on OS X thus far.