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Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by wavefunction on Thursday February 23, 2017 @08:01PM (#13719791)
Copying illicit data constitutes copyright infringement at its best, or industrial espionage at its worst.

Theft is a different type of crime involving actual things.

Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by csallen on Thursday February 23, 2017 @08:08PM (#13719848)
Exactly! Btw, the specific term of art for "actual things" that are subject to theft is "rivalrous" (adj): a good whose consumption by one consumer prevents simultaneous consumption by other consumers.

You can commit theft of a rivalrous good, like an apple or a computer. You cannot, however, do the same to a file or a song or an idea. I wish more people understood this difference. Society would be better for it.

Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by kazagistar on Friday February 24, 2017 @10:57AM (#13724758)
I'm not sure how society would benefit from a better understanding of a technical difference between these two crimes.
Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by csallen on Monday February 27, 2017 @01:03PM (#13746278)
I take it as axiomatic that understanding the truth is better than believing in a falsehood. The latter almost always leads to gaps that can be exploited for potentially nefarious purposes.

In this particular case, the reason that theft is wrong (because it deprives another person) is very different than the reason that copyright infringement is illegal (because the founders wanted to encourage invention by granting limited monopolies). If people believe that copyright infringement is theft, however, then powerful corporations like Disney can convince them that copyrights should last indefinitely.

Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by xapata on Thursday February 23, 2017 @09:17PM (#13720278)
The word "theft" can have different meanings depending on context. Most people think in ethical terms rather than legal.
Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by wavefunction on Friday February 24, 2017 @10:09AM (#13724289)
Well then I guess there exists a difference in ethics. Theft involves deprivation of the specific thing taken. So deleting the original data after copying it might consist of theft.
Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by xapata on Friday February 24, 2017 @07:52PM (#13729338)
> Theft involves deprivation

Not necessarily. Theft is simply taking something you shouldn't. That includes taking by duplication. Or perhaps you'd like to think it as the deprivation of potential profits.

Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by Buge on Friday February 24, 2017 @12:16AM (#13721222)
>which makes the theft or misappropriation of a trade secret a federal crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_secret