Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim...
by nickff on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @06:01PM
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Investors are not fools; anyone reading these statements and reports is smart enough to understand the difference between GAAP and non-GAAP. Investors should make up their own minds as to which metrics are useful, just as you have made up yours that reporting the non-GAAP numbers is intrinsically suspect.
Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim...
by idiot_stick on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @06:52PM
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>Investors are not fools
I hope you're kidding, because the counter examples to this are endless.
Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim...
by azernik on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @08:09PM
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To be more specific - investors often do not do their own homework, and assume that some other hardworking soul has. See e.g. Theranos for a glaring example of this.
Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim...
by jolux on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @10:04PM
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Classic bystander effect, really.
Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim...
by tim333 on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @06:17PM
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Also the non-GAAP numbers can give a more accurate impression of how the company is doing if done sensibly.
Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim...
by refurb on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @06:55PM
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As a whole? Non-GAAP numbers are suspect enough for the SEC to create regulations around. Not every company abuses them, but enough do.[1]
[1]https://www.troutmansanders.com/using-non-gaap-measures--obs...
Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim...
by tim333 on Saturday February 25, 2017 @09:30AM
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See the latest Berkshire letter for some examples http://berkshirehathaway.com/letters/2016ltr.pdf
Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim...
by charlesdm on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @06:34PM
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That doesn't necessarily mean shorting a company just because it uses non-GAAP numbers is a good idea though.
As with anything, if you understand what the non-GAAP numbers represent, it's not a problem. If you don't..
Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim...
by refurb on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @06:52PM
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That doesn't necessarily mean shorting a company just because it uses non-GAAP numbers is a good idea though.
That would be an interesting investing thesis to test. You are correct, non-GAAP numbers don't mean a company is hiding something, but it does make you ask why they felt the need to use non-standard accounting principles (the answer is it makes them look better).
Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim...
by tedsanders on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @08:16PM
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By design, GAAP accounting principles are very conservative, to make it harder for deceptive actors to conceal losses. However, for making management decisions, GAAP accounting principles are so conservative and rigid that they can actually obscure the key drivers of a business. This is why management accounting is historically done differently than financial accounting. Financial accounting is optimized for revealing fraud, not for understanding or running businesses. Therefore, if someone chooses to use non-GAAP accounting, you're right it can mean they are hiding something, but it can just as easily mean they are trying to relay more useful and informative numbers.
In all cases, of course, it's important to understand what the numbers mean.
Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim...
by mstachowiak on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @08:01PM
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In Tesla case, it's because the non-GAAP numbers represent how they view and make decisions about their business internally. It makes them look better in some dimensions and worse in others. They report on it because it gives insights into how they think about things.
Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim...
by refurb on Thursday February 23, 2017 @10:10AM
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Based on the analyses I've read, it looks like a big driver of the non-GAAP difference is Tesla completely ignoring the cost of acquiring SolarCity. Is that a fair analysis? It depends. Those non-GAAP numbers suggest the car manufacturing business is doing well, but hide how Tesla is doing overall (including cash flow) as a result of SolarCity.
Gross margin ignores all the costs not directly associated with producing the vehicle (basically COGS). There are plenty of companies with positive gross margin (even under GAAP) that fail.