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Re:Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro by Wildgoose on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @04:37AM (#13694430)
Seriously? I use them ALL the time.
Re:Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro by nicky0 on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @09:23AM (#13695648)
What for? I don't know a single F key shortcut. People say debugging, which seems fair enough. I guess I've always found the mouse-based controls sufficient to use the Xcode debugger.

Apart from the debugger, what do people need the F keys for? Are people really debugging that often?

I use a hell of a lot of keyboard shortcuts, mind you. But none of them are F keys.

Re:Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro by chrisseaton on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @09:53AM (#13695889)
> Are people really debugging that often?

Don't people say that debugging is the longest part of development?

Re:Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro by OskarS on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @11:07AM (#13696500)
"Debugging" as a general term maybe, but "using a literal debugger with breakpoints and stuff" is much rarer. At least for me.
Re:Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro by chrisseaton on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @08:11AM (#13695152)
I'm a programmer and I don't use keyboard shortcuts either, apart from Control-C, Control-V and Control-Z.
Re:Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro by apricot on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @09:10AM (#13695524)
I play the piano and I never use the black keys, except C# once in a while.
Re:Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro by chrisseaton on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @09:31AM (#13695697)
That analogy is nonsensical.

A pianist that doesn't use some keys is limited in the music they can produce.

I can write exactly the same code as you without using shortcuts.

I think the advantage is that I don't have to learn completely arbitrary lists of silly little keys to press, and I can keep my brain-space for useful things.

Re:Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro by divergio on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @11:40PM (#13703055)
"and I can keep my brain-space for useful things"

Respectfully, the point of keyboard shortcuts is that they are remembered in your hands, not in your brain. This is the main reason most of these commenters reject the Touch Bar: lacking tactile feedback for button position, it seems like it would be difficult to develop "muscle memory" for a Touch Bar function key.

Re:Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro by neilzo on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @11:52AM (#13696987)
I'm fairly certain that was a programming/music joke.
Re:Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro by tolger on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @12:02PM (#13706995)
I play StarCraft and never use shortcuts. I lose all the time.