Re:Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper ...
by mercer on Monday February 20, 2017 @02:52PM
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> Edit: I'll leave the comment for what it is, but after thinking on it a bit I feel that this is not something worth arguing over. While I do think there should be more nuance in these things, the fact of the matter is that PewDiePie acted racist and I do disagree with that. And he doesn't need (or perhaps deserve) random internet people to defend him against other random internet people. I guess I'm just in 'hating the media' mode but that's another discussion best not conflated with an issue such as this one. So my apologies for raising a stink.
Re:Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper ...
by foldr on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @07:37AM
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It might not seem like something worth arguing over to you as a straight white man, but Jewish people and gay people don't have the same luxury of being able to ignore these issues.
Re:Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper ...
by mercer on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @10:21AM
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"Not worth arguing over" was in reference to my misguided attempt to distinguish between 'having racist beliefs' and 'acting racist to be edgy'. I feel I went down the wrong path arguing over that. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.
So, to be clear: I absolutely agree that these issues are worth arguing over, and that we shouldn't ignore them, and it was good that you challenged me on that.
No, you started complaining that the WSJ accused PewDiePie of being anti-semitic before I made that comment.
>Yes, and quite often they're the ones who started it. Furthermore, my (fellow) gay friends make more and harsher 'gay jokes' than my straight friends. But all in the right context.
There isn't really a right context for straight people to make homophobic jokes.
It sounds like things are pretty fucked up in Holland, if your account is to believed. Thankfully they aren't quite as fucked up in the part of the world that WSJ journalists are familiar with, which maybe explains the disconnect between your reaction and theirs. I'm British (but have spent ~5 years living in the US), and can say that it's not normal for middle class white guys to make Holocaust jokes or homophobic jokes here either.
>So just to be clear: my preferred world is one where not a single person is hurt in any way by another person's 'joke', and I'm doing my best to at least make that a reality in my own life
So have you stopped making homophobic and anti-semitic jokes and stopped defending other people who do? Your comment is a bit ambiguous on this point.