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Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by hn_throwaway_99 on Monday February 20, 2017 @01:32AM (#13684878)
Agreed. The "HR is not your friend" trope gets thrown out a lot, but in cases where your goals align with the company's (i.e. you don't want to get harassed, and the company doesn't want to get sued), HR is the place you should be able to go.
Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by HelloNurse on Monday February 20, 2017 @07:30AM (#13686700)
Reading between the lines of Mrs. Fowler's account, the company's goal was being nice to a more important employee than her: a common situation in sexual harassment cases and other workplace conflicts.
Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by ethbro on Monday February 20, 2017 @08:48AM (#13687140)
I'd also point out the possibility that Uber HR has no power... or upper HR management (formerly Renee Atwood, now Liane Hornsey?) is complicit.

They have a management chain just like everyone else, and if the person at the top (or the person above them) says "We're not going to discipline this guy" then the best HR can do is try to deescalate the situation.

Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by aioprisan on Monday February 20, 2017 @10:31AM (#13688050)
If true that HR has no power (and it's starting to look like that's the case), then it's clear that the company culture itself it so rotten as to remove any accountability chain just for the sake of a few (sexual predator) engineers spinning out a few more features that will make the company a few (or a lot) more dollars. Shame!
Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by intrasight on Monday February 20, 2017 @02:11PM (#13689984)
Then we'll find out who did have the power, and also find out if the board has the power to discipline those individuals.
Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by aioprisan on Monday February 20, 2017 @08:19PM (#13692475)
Will we really? Or will they come out with a report saying that those responsible likely left some time ago, without naming any names, and no C-level resignations? Time will tell.
Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by ethbro on Monday February 20, 2017 @01:06PM (#13689438)
I already deleted the shortcut off my launcher. We'll see how going Lyft-only for a while works.
Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by EdHominem on Monday February 20, 2017 @07:50PM (#13692356)
If that's the case it's your responsibility to go over their head, all the way if necessary - as it would be for an engineer whose boss said to use Balsa wood for a support instead of steel.

If Edward had to do it, we do too.

Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by Sharlin on Monday February 20, 2017 @08:43AM (#13687103)
And they miscalculated the extend to which said person was more of a liability than an asset, after all.
Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by thewhitetulip on Monday February 20, 2017 @01:57AM (#13685017)
> Should be able to go

Yes, in theory. But most HRs "protect the org" in the most short sighted way possible

Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by HelloMcFly on Monday February 20, 2017 @08:24AM (#13686965)
I'm an HR professional. I've done extensive consulting to organization of people processes and HR functioning. I've found that companies typically get what they pay for in their HR department. Many organization echo the sentiment that many contributors on HN have (i.e., that HR is a sometimes necessary evil; the people are marginally skilled; etc.). Organizations that have that mentality of HR hire HR teams that are fine at transactional work, "saying yes", and managing to targets. And then when situations arise - either acute situations like sexual harassment or problems that manifest over longer timeframes - they pay the price.

Like any department, HR should be staffed with intelligent, values-driven leaders with the spine to take strong perspectives and the ability to form collaborative vs. transactional relationships with the business. Constantly saying "yes" and failing to push back or take principled stands is not collaborative. Yet that is what many young companies want out of their HR department. I've found this more true in young(er) tech companies, though my sample size is limited.

When you build your HR function as a transactional service center, you get short-sighted decision-making.

That's all just my professional opinion.

Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by thewhitetulip on Monday February 20, 2017 @10:36AM (#13688102)
From what I have observed, there is a tussle between Eng managers and HRs for supremacy, plus few HR folks have overly inflated ego. A friend of mine was asked to relocate in a firm, she refused due to personal reasons, she was harassed daily by the HR fellow, daily he asked her to come to his cabin to mert at 10am and never did meet her and when he did meet her he basically threatened her. (She lives next to a HR person, she was told by her neighbour that "this is what we are paid to do, you should have recorded his audio and threatened to leak audio in public, he'd have come begging to you").

This, well, this is what the dark side can be. Of course, at the end of the day it depends on the org and the kind of people we let grow, if the people in our org are good, capable then it is fine, but from the words of that HR friend of my friend, that's the job of HR.

Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by Baeocystin on Monday February 20, 2017 @08:51AM (#13687162)
I agree with your assessment. Quality insight is worth the price, and lack of it will ultimately cost more, whether you want it to or not.
Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by abraae on Monday February 20, 2017 @03:21AM (#13685442)
That's a sweeping statement that I utterly disagree with.

We do HR software, I've interacted with many HR people at many companies and I've never even heard of anything as outrageous as the behavior described in this case. In no way is it the way"most HRs" behave.

Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by bambax on Monday February 20, 2017 @03:37AM (#13685521)
My experience is different. Every HR person I have ever interacted with was either entirely clueless or immensely evil.
Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by raverbashing on Monday February 20, 2017 @07:29AM (#13686691)
I've had some bad experiences, but I've never felt the need to describe them in those terms. And yes, even in the worse case
Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by balladeer on Monday February 20, 2017 @09:58AM (#13687763)
This has been my experience too. Always. Without fail.

Though I still believe it must be because many (if not most) firms invest very little in their HR departments and hence they get what they pay for and employees make do with it until something blows up; e.g. scenarios like this. And I am sure there are stellar HR departments out there I have never interacted with.

But then again an industry, a field, or a practice is usually stereotyped based on the reputation of the majority and majority in this case, in my humble opinion, seems to be lying somewhere down south.

Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by veidr on Monday February 20, 2017 @08:43AM (#13687108)
OK; how many is that?
Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by thewhitetulip on Monday February 20, 2017 @04:52AM (#13685941)
This kind of behaviour isn't advertised in the newspaper, you know about it only by experience, the dark side (if you choose to ignore it, please do). This is like the earlier people who said "there is no black swan" because all swans I have seen are white, no, there are events which happen without you being aware of them
Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by mud_dauber on Monday February 20, 2017 @09:50AM (#13687661)
33 years across 6 companies, from Fortune 500 to 20-person startups. HR departments have been, without exception, absolutely useless except to protect the company's hide.
Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by hn_throwaway_99 on Monday February 20, 2017 @07:56PM (#13692388)
> absolutely useless except to protect the company's hide.

But that's my point. If Uber's HR properly cared about protecting the company's hide, they would have immediately disciplined the manager involved, and "sexually propositioning a first-day direct report" is so egregiously over the line that they would have fired the manager.

Uber's HR failed here not because they only cared about protecting the company's hide, but because they didn't.

Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by thewhitetulip on Monday February 20, 2017 @09:08PM (#13692660)
They did care but in their short sighted way. They don't really mean "save company", it means dancing at the tone of the HR boss, if they truly cared for the company they'd do something about this.

So, they just don't care about employees

Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by lnanek2 on Monday February 20, 2017 @12:30PM (#13689100)
> in cases where your goals align with the company's (i.e. you don't want to get harassed, and the company doesn't want to get sued), HR is the place you should be able to go.

That's definitely not the case in my experience. I spent a few months at Fitbit before being harassed by a manager, Sam Trychin. All I wanted to do was do my work, be treated fairly, and not be harassed. HR was definitely not the place to go.

As soon as I made the complaint, Jade Curtis at HR had a meeting with me where she lied to my face (claimed all their managers are exactly the same when I had gone around asking other employees and explicitly confirmed my manager was not following company policy or even treating me fairly compared to his other team members), told me they would refuse to transfer me when I asked about solutions like that, and asserted that the solution was I had to talk more.

The next week they brought me in a fired me with never a written or even verbal warning, and never a negative performance review or a missed meeting, or even a late JIRA implementation. Indeed, everyone said good things about my performance. I had also followed her advice to "talk more". Again they refused to entertain any option of continuing at the company when I offered to try anything that would solve things.

The only thing Fitbit HR cared about was A) to get as much ammunition for a lawsuit as possible, and B) fire me as fast as possible after I was harassed. They didn't try at all to solve things at the company.

In terms of what happened, everything was fairly normal for a couple months. Then one day my wife drove me in to the office because my back was hurting and standing an hour on the BART made things even worse. We followed every rule for her to be in the building. We arrived at 8am after a 2 hour drive, waiting until the front desk was open at 8:30am and got her a badge, then proceeded to my desk which is safely outside all the signs indicating no guests are allowed due to unreleased projects being worked on.

The developer to my right was super friendly and talkative and awesome to my wife - completely normal. My manager came in later (he was rarely around and always left early at 4pm, one of those pre-IPO people who don't put any effort in now that they have their options) and blew up after 10 minutes - super strange. His face turned all red and he was breathing heavy and he took me aside to a private room. He said my wife is too distracting for him to get any work done and she has to move.

We immediately left the area and went to the couches across from the front desk to figure out what to do. Then I took her off campus. She never visited again any day after that (who would bring their wife back when their manager is acting creepy toward her?), but my manager continually blew up about her and made up new rules about her. For example, the week after, he took me aside to a private room again and said she couldn't visit ever again. Meanwhile when other team member's family visited, he was super nice and even booked a conference room for a full day for another team member's kids to visit.

At the same time he started treating me very unfairly. For example, he said any exercise on my part counted as a "long lunch" and wasn't allowed. Meanwhile it was "Steptember" and all employees were encouraged to exercise and had internal teams competing with who could do the most exercise.

Similarly I was in an automatic activity tracking beta test, and all short exercises had failed to trigger the new logic, so I took a 1 hour bike ride on the Embarcadero instead of lunch to try to get a positive result for my beta test data - he blew up about this as well.

The manager claimed the PM had been trying to contact me all day and wasn't able to because I took that bike ride. This was not true. The PM Hipchatted me on the way back from the bike ride, I stopped at a cafe on the way back, and did the code review the PM wanted from me immediately, within 10 minutes.

So the manager was lying about my interaction with the PM to justify his not letting me exercise and his blowing up any time I was away from my desk - which I had to be pretty often because I was writing the Bluetooth pairing code and there's a step that aborts if there are too many devices nearby, like at our desks. The test group lead actually worked from home at least one day a week for precisely this reason and I was only working down the hall at some tables, which should not have been a problem.

Meanwhile everyone else at the company I talked to encouraged exercise, and one manager I talked to even recommended an afternoon nap for getting your energy back to code some more! So my manager was definitely not following company policy or treating me fairly. All HR cared about was firing me, though. I found out later the manager was divorced and that's probably why he went nuts over my wife.

It actually sounds really similar to Susan Fowler's experience at Uber. She had a manager acting creepy and weird because of his own marital issues. Then HR invented fake "undocumented performance issues" that were never communicated before and didn't hold up to scrutiny when other employees were asked about it, so that HR could deny transfer and any other solutions, and the manager could keep looking good at the company.

Re:Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee by the-dude on Monday February 20, 2017 @05:31AM (#13686135)
No. Hire a laywer