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Re:Let’s not demonize driving, just stop subsidizing it by AnthonyMouse on Friday February 17, 2017 @05:31AM (#13667291)
> It'd take a staggering amount of low-rise to compensate for just one 40-story high-rise killed over the neighbors' concerns about shadow.

It isn't either or.

Imagine how much parking would be needed for everyone in a 40-story high-rise to put their car there.

And using multi-level parking garages is often prohibitively expensive because the upper levels have to be built to support the weight of the cars.

Re:Let’s not demonize driving, just stop subsidizing it by wiredfool on Friday February 17, 2017 @07:21AM (#13667727)
Generally, the load requirements for parking garages are smaller than the loading for space where humans can crowd.

Cars just aren't that heavy compared to people.

Re:Let’s not demonize driving, just stop subsidizing it by quicklime on Friday February 17, 2017 @10:58AM (#13669103)
A typical car park is about 2.5m wide and 6m long, so 15 sq m. A typical car weighs about 1.5 tonnes, so the load on the floor of a car park is 100 kg per sq m.

I think it would be hard to exceed that with people, without breaking the fire code.

Re:Let’s not demonize driving, just stop subsidizing it by wiredfool on Friday February 17, 2017 @12:52PM (#13670200)
Design loading for human occupancies come in in the range of 100psf, which is something like 500kg/m2. That's roughly one 200lb adult per 2sf.

You can pack a _lot_ of humans into a small space.

Cars are about half that, because they don't pack well.

Of course, libraries are even worse, sometimes you're looking at 300+ psf design loads there.

Re:Let’s not demonize driving, just stop subsidizing it by Neliquat on Friday February 17, 2017 @09:24AM (#13668389)
Last I checked, my car weighed more than me, and all my posessions, combined.
Re:Let’s not demonize driving, just stop subsidizing it by thfuran on Friday February 17, 2017 @09:52AM (#13668579)
Is it also a lot bigger than you?
Re:Let’s not demonize driving, just stop subsidizing it by JoshTriplett on Friday February 17, 2017 @05:50AM (#13667359)
> Imagine how much parking would be needed for everyone in a 40-story high-rise to put their car there.

About as much as many 40-story high-rises already have underground.

Re:Let’s not demonize driving, just stop subsidizing it by lmm on Friday February 17, 2017 @06:41AM (#13667531)
I've never seen a 40-story high-rise that had enough underground parking for more than a small fraction of its occupants. They build them in places that have transit links and set the cost of parking spaces at a high enough level that most don't bother.
Re:Let’s not demonize driving, just stop subsidizing it by AnthonyMouse on Friday February 17, 2017 @06:02AM (#13667404)
> About as much as many 40-story high-rises already have underground.

It isn't about where you put it, it's about how much it costs.