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Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by finid on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @04:07PM (#13655352)
also conducted a survey that indicates some possible causes for the steady increases, including speed, texting via touch input or voice, as well as driving while under the influence.

I think most of it can be attributed to cellphone usage while driving.

And now that most drivers choose to use their smartphones as GPS rather than a dedicated GPS device, I think it's going to get much worse.

Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by nostromo on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @04:29PM (#13655512)
I don't think there's any data to support that.

Smart phone penetration in the US has been above 75% for many years now, so you'd have to explain why there's a jump in fatalities now but wasn't as smart phone penetration went from 0% to 75%.

Secondly, this data should be controlled for miles driven. Otherwise a growing population and a growing economy can be misconstrued as roadways becoming more dangerous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_i...

Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by YZF on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @10:53PM (#13657652)
Anecdotally there are a lot more people glued to their screens than there used to be. I think one factor is younger people who become drivers after already have been addicted to their smart phones.

It used to be that you could tell from a distance who was talking on their phone while driving. They would drift off their lane and correct randomly. At least while talking you have some % of your attention on driving, if low. While texting or interacting with the device's screen you have just about 0 attention left for other tasks. And you often don't even realize it...

There must be some data specific to distracted driving you'd think...

EDIT: Some data:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2951952/

http://www.fleetfinancials.com/article/story/2011/09/5-year-...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/distracted-dr...

Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by quicklyfrozen on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @04:20PM (#13655448)
I think some of it must be an unintended consequence of usage bans. People still do it, they just keep the phone out of sight, and this keeps their concentration off the road for longer. (And of course you can't type by feel on a virtual keyboard.)
Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by WWLink on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @09:25PM (#13657377)
But it's not out of sight! Perhaps you don't realize how obvious it is! If you're in an SUV, you can easily see the phones on people's laps. If you're in a car, you can still tell because people don't normally stare at their crotch while at a red light. Even if they hold it higher, you can still tell they're not looking around them. ...

Finally if all else fails, at night you can see the reflection of light from their phone.

In LA I would guess something like 75% of drivers use their phones at red lights. It makes the delay of cars starting to move when a light turns green super annoying.

Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by donatj on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @04:25PM (#13655488)
This. I text while driving very rarely, but when it was legal I would with my arm straight ahead so I could see the road and my phone. My phone's now been relegated to below the dash.
Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by jasonkostempski on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @04:39PM (#13655580)
Stop fucking texting while driving!
Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by TheSpiceIsLife on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @07:09PM (#13656790)
Or, in the spirit of HN: texting while driving looks like an industry ripe for disruption.

You have my permission to use this as your next start-up idea.

Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by mindslight on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @07:28PM (#13656904)
Honestly let's not refer to the problem as cellphone usage, but touchscreen usage. I can't fathom how builtin touchscreens on center consoles are even blessed by the DOT (especially with the horrendous input lag "modern" implementations generally have), but for their being "hip".
Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by Silhouette on Thursday February 16, 2017 @12:50AM (#13657998)
Sadly, they aren't mutually exclusive.

Driving while distracted is a huge problem. Denial of that problem by people who have it is in itself also a huge problem. Apparently current levels of laws and penalties aren't sufficient to deter it, so something stronger may be needed.

Awful controls and interfaces in cars are also a problem. The number of gadgets and displays and distractions of all sorts in modern vehicles is disturbing. Laggy touchscreens are a prime example. Speak-out-loud systems and voice activated systems with poor speech recognition are other weak areas. I find it amazing that when cars are probably the second most expensive thing most of us ever buy, we accept such crude and poorly designed control systems, but there seems to be little concern in the industry because they're all just about as bad as each other. Again, at some point stronger regulation may be needed.

Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by mindslight on Thursday February 16, 2017 @12:16PM (#13661651)
Oh definitely. But my point is touchscreens add to that distraction, in an imperceptible way.

Texting while driving wasn't such an epidemic with T9, which had much societal adoption. I admit the sheer volume has gone up since then, but personally I recall it being relatively easy to enter a message only having to look at the screen occasionally to verify input.

A touchscreen requires one to look at the screen to make input. This insidiously creeps into one's OODA loop, sapping attention in a way that felt much harder to be aware of (since the "atomic task" of entering a letter now has a variable delay).

Likewise, I've done two cross country round trips with a handheld GPS unit (Garmin 60CSx), which my right hand operated just fine, including shifting. I wasn't using it for routing, but a "you are here map" with crow-flies distance. Most critical use was in denser cityish areas, that require more shifting and navigating traffic, and I still never felt distracted. Meanwhile even just starting Waze seems like a massive distraction that I'd rather only do while stopped - nevermind navigating any of its modal dialogs.

Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by dukeluke on Thursday February 16, 2017 @11:19AM (#13661108)
Tacking stronger legislation onto a social problem is why the War on Drugs exists, which hurts more than it helps. I'm not saying we shouldn't add stronger legislation, but maybe we should gather data on whether or not it would be more effective than an education & awareness campaign.
Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by Silhouette on Thursday February 16, 2017 @03:05PM (#13663107)
I'm all for evidence-based policy-making, so I would have no objection in principle to considering alternatives like a public education campaign.

That said, in this particular case, we had plenty of campaigning when existing laws were introduced here in the UK, and that doesn't seem to have been very effective. The near-total lack of enforcement means those who find using their phone while driving convenient continue to do so, despite the mountain of evidence about how dangerous it is. Worse, because we didn't also ban hands-free use, despite the mountain of evidence that it is almost as bad as hand-held phone use in terms of impairing driver performance, vendors of hands-free kits were literally putting up six foot high stands at the entrances to major stores the week after the ban came in with captions like "Stay safe -- go hands-free!" all over them.

If we're going to solve this one, I suspect what we need is a combination of education and enforcement, both much stronger than we have seen so far. The number of people I come across online who maintain that they drive while using a phone all the time and are still perfectly safe is genuinely alarming.

Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by joezydeco on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @07:44PM (#13656983)
My 2016 Mazda disables the touchscreen when the car is in motion. I thought perhaps that was a NHTSA rule, but given cars like the Tesla S (where the screen operates everything not just the IVI) I guess it's not a firm requirement.
Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by closeparen on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @11:01PM (#13657669)
2016 Mazdas have the screen in your line of sight rather than down, and a non-touch input device (a click wheel in the center armrest).

Unfortunately Mazdas are the only economy cars that seem to care about this. For many others, it's a laggy touchscreen well below the vents.

Very happy with the old fashioned tactile controls on my 2012 VW.

Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by mildbow on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @04:20PM (#13655441)
I think GPS is secondary: you can easily get a mount for it.

Based on experience, the most likely explanation is texting or voice calls. When I got a new car with bluetooth calling, all of a sudden I was fumbling a lot less. A call is now about the same level of distraction as having a passenger or 2.

Texting however, I have no idea. Maybe something that moves texting to voice, but I haven't seen anything actually make that work. And, it's distracting enough that I just don't text while driving: sending ETA updates or w/e isn't worth risking my life over.

Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by tzs on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @09:19PM (#13657360)
> When I got a new car with bluetooth calling, all of a sudden I was fumbling a lot less. A call is now about the same level of distraction as having a passenger or 2.

Most studies that have actually tested it have found that talking with someone on a phone, even if hands free, is much more distracting than talking to a passenger.

A big factor is that a passenger is much more likely to be aware of road and traffic conditions and stop the conversation during situations where the driver needs to pay extra attention to driving.

Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by mildbow on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @11:06PM (#13657689)
Sounds plausible that it's more distracting, but I'm not convinced that the difference is more varied than found among different types of passengers (back-seat driver/kids/dumb friends/audiobook(?) etc)

If you have a few studies that show more than that, I would be glad to check it out.

Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by tzs on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @11:37PM (#13657791)
I don't know of any that have looked at different types of passengers. They have usually just compared an adult passenger talking with the driver to an adult on a phone talking with the driver.

Here was a recent study that was pretty interesting: https://news.illinois.edu/blog/view/6367/204502

Here's an older one: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081201081917.h...

Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by mildbow on Thursday February 16, 2017 @05:25PM (#13664140)
thanks, I appreciate the links :)
Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by up_and_up on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @04:33PM (#13655532)
> I think most of it can be attributed to cellphone usage while driving.

This. My car insurance went up 25% recently b/c of this trend. That's right, OTHER PEOPLES behavior is costing me money. I guess thats how insurance works though right. I mean the insurance companies need to be guaranteed to make money right???

Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by maxerickson on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @04:37PM (#13655566)
More or less, yes they do need to be guaranteed to make money.

At least on average anyway. Or they will stop writing insurance policies.

Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by finid on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @04:42PM (#13655607)
The insurance business is the best racket to be in, same as private prison industry. Customers are guaranteed.
Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by maxerickson on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @04:49PM (#13655668)
That's all hip and cynical, but I'm pretty sure motor vehicle insurance would be a good business even if states didn't mandate that people carry it.

It'd be more expensive for the people that did carry it, but it'd be a large business.

And of course, in many states there is the option to post a bond to prove ability to compensate.

Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by rascul on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @07:38PM (#13656947)
You might check out New Hampshire. I don't have a reference handy, but I recall reading that they don't require insurance yet have more people insured than most other states.
Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by bjterry on Thursday February 16, 2017 @01:37AM (#13658139)
That only helps as long as there aren't many insurance companies. If there are many insurance companies, competition between them drives the costs down to marginal cost plus normal profit, in theory.
Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by finid on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @04:38PM (#13655573)
Hey, here's a tip: If you've not taken a defensive driving class, give it a shot. A defensive driving certificate can save you $10-15/month.
Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by chinathrow on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @04:40PM (#13655588)
I blame the various fingerprint scanners within phones. I have have a strong password on Android - no chance I will ever type that while driving.
Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by astrodust on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @04:15PM (#13655406)
Distracted driving could be come epidemic if not curtailed somehow.
Re:U.S. motor vehicle deaths see biggest two year jump in ov... by flying_kangaroo on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @04:28PM (#13655507)
I'd say "is" rather than "could become", personally.