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Re:Big Picture of Calculus (2010) [video] by brightball on Monday February 13, 2017 @10:02AM (#13635702)
What would be some practical "daily life" applications of calculus? I've been discussing a focus on teaching with applicable examples in a lot of subjects, but this is one where I've been struggling a bit.
Re:Big Picture of Calculus (2010) [video] by jhck on Monday February 13, 2017 @10:28AM (#13635928)
In a book review from 1988 [1, p. 892] the mathematician Underwood Dudley claimed:

> First-semester calculus has NO applications.

That said, the central ideas of calculus are firmly grounded in daily life (as Strang points out in the video): Differential calculus is about investigating speed (or, more generally, rate of change), and integral calculus is about investigating area.

[1]: http://www.maa.org/sites/default/files/0002989051112.di99173...

Re:Big Picture of Calculus (2010) [video] by SomeStupidPoint on Monday February 13, 2017 @10:28AM (#13635933)
Throwing things is estimating calculus: you pick the velocity to counteract the accelerations the object experiences to get the displacement you desire. Acceleration from air resistance is a function of velocity.

Also, you can measure boobs with integrals and model their jiggle with differential equations.

...I may have been a teenager when I was first learning. But modeling boob motion is apparently serious science and actually gets extremely complex when you try to model the interactions of the different constituent tissues.

Re:Big Picture of Calculus (2010) [video] by espeed on Monday February 13, 2017 @12:44PM (#13637165)
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." - Dr. Albert A. Bartlett

That's the thesis of Dr. Bartlett's famous lecture "Arithmetic, Population and Energy": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI1C9DyIi_8

Calculus is foundational for understanding our rapidly changing, data-driven world. It gives us the ability to see.

You can apply calculus anytime you have a quantity that's changing over time, and you want to see where things are going, how things are changing, and when something is going to happen based on its rate of change -- e.g. stocks, startup growth metrics, how an idea is spreading, mass-market adoption, etc -- anytime you have time-series data and you want to see what it means -- make sense out of it, and understand its implications.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculus#Applications

And Calculus gives you the ability to calculate how lifelong learning can impact your growth over time -- the significance it can have throughout your life/career -- and realize it's never too late to learn anything ;-)

In the words of Prof John Ousterhout: "A little bit of slope makes up for a lot of y-intercept."

https://web.stanford.edu/~ouster/cgi-bin/cs142-spring12/week...

Re:Big Picture of Calculus (2010) [video] by dlo on Monday February 13, 2017 @01:13PM (#13637394)
I'm going to expand the definition of "daily life application" from things you actually use daily to things you experience daily. These could be engaging too!

For example... what are sunspots? How does the plumbing around your house work? How does a car battery work? How does a microwave oven work?

Another thought. If we are unable to find applications for a technique, should we place such an emphasis on teaching it? I look around and see all the very practical (and interesting!) math and science that is not being taught, e.g. signal processing, just because they are nontraditional. It's a shame to me.

Re:Big Picture of Calculus (2010) [video] by brightball on Monday February 13, 2017 @02:41PM (#13638064)
That's kind've where I was going with it. Basic understanding of the building blocks of society type stuff: power, water, gas, construction, radio, biology, growing food, vehicles, finances, etc.

Thinking back, I just realized the main reason that I was bored to tears in high school wasn't so much that the subjects weren't worth knowing...just that at the time I was being taught formulas without any clear understanding of why it was useful to know it. If you don't know why it's useful to know it, there's very little reason to remember it beyond passing a test.

Re:Big Picture of Calculus (2010) [video] by dlo on Monday February 13, 2017 @06:40PM (#13639939)
You might enjoy this. I actually think this is well done.

https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/index.html

Obviously, it could use more work, but the kernel of something really good is there.

Re:Big Picture of Calculus (2010) [video] by dlo on Monday February 13, 2017 @06:37PM (#13639919)
Been thinking of doing the same.

Additionally, I think game development is a compelling way to teach math and science.

Re:Big Picture of Calculus (2010) [video] by umanwizard on Monday February 13, 2017 @11:16AM (#13636362)
"Calculus" by Tom Apostol has lots and lots of simple physics applications.

I cant think of any obvious applications of calculus to the average non-technical person's daily life. If that's what you mean, you're going to have a bad time, as I think it's a misconception of what math is supposed to be for.

Re:Big Picture of Calculus (2010) [video] by semi-extrinsic on Monday February 13, 2017 @12:28PM (#13637014)
Well, there's plenty of applications that may not be "daily life" but rather "you're likely to encounter this at some point". Take the relation between speed and distance traveled, or the difference between marginal cost and per-unit cost.
Re:Big Picture of Calculus (2010) [video] by umanwizard on Monday February 13, 2017 @06:12PM (#13639740)
Approximately zero people will ever need to answer questions like "if I drive t^2 miles per hour for k minutes, how far did I go?"
Re:Big Picture of Calculus (2010) [video] by brootstrap on Monday February 13, 2017 @10:25AM (#13635902)
Say you want to measure how much energy is hitting the top of our atmosphere in a given day? Triple integral from infinity (the sun) to top of the atmosphere (call it 0).

Examples with classic physics problems are good too. How about F=ma => F=m*dv/dt. Everytime you apply a force to an object calculus magic is there to mathematically describe the process.

Re:Big Picture of Calculus (2010) [video] by mindcrime on Monday February 13, 2017 @02:53PM (#13638178)
I'm only part way though this book, but I think you might find it interesting, vis-a-vis the above question:

https://www.amazon.com/Everyday-Calculus-Discovering-Hidden-...

Re:Big Picture of Calculus (2010) [video] by empath75 on Monday February 13, 2017 @02:23PM (#13637933)
The average person is never going to have to use anything but basic arithmetic in 'daily life', but calculus is essentially the mathematics of change, which touches on a huge number of subjects. You can't do any sort of useful physics without it, or machine learning, or statistics, etc, etc.
Re:Big Picture of Calculus (2010) [video] by mindcrime on Monday February 13, 2017 @02:52PM (#13638175)
The average person is never going to have to use anything but basic arithmetic in 'daily life',

The average person may only have to use basic arithmetic in daily life, but I'd argue that pretty much everybody could benefit from using more math (including calculus) in everyday life. I mean, just think of anything in life that can be counted/measured and can be described by a function that can be optimized. Boom, there's an application for calculus - minimization and maximization.

This is why I disagree with the recently popular narrative about how "we don't need to teach all kids calculus" and "math isn't all that important", etc. Me, I wish I'd studied more math when I was younger. I feel like you almost can't teach too much math. If anything, I'd say the problem is a combination of pedagogy and not spending enough time on applications when teaching math.

Re:Big Picture of Calculus (2010) [video] by loblollyboy on Monday February 13, 2017 @07:39PM (#13640254)
None, save for maybe dealing w money. But you don't have to learn a ton of calc before you will have the tools to really get that, like, everything is waves, man... and that's pretty rad
Re:Big Picture of Calculus (2010) [video] by ww2 on Monday February 13, 2017 @11:44AM (#13636611)
When you look at the GPS estimated time of arrival, or check the current MPG or mile left for your car.