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Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by emodendroket on Monday February 13, 2017 @09:01AM (#13635209)
I don't really feel safer knowing the US would go to war with a nuclear power over a bunch of Eastern European republics, no.
Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by alkonaut on Monday February 13, 2017 @09:21AM (#13635344)
The safety comes from the idea that they would, which is what keeps the bad thing from happening.

If there is any doubt that the US would go to war, that ironically increases the risk that they would.

So basically - one says one would definitely go to war. Simply because then you maximize the chance of avoiding it. Donald Trumps administration didn't get the memo I think, when they started being vague on who might be helped by Article 5.

Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by emodendroket on Monday February 13, 2017 @09:22AM (#13635354)
Well, that's the theory, yeah.

I think there's been some question about some of the newer NATO members for some time though. http://www.interpretermag.com/americans-are-prepared-to-die-...

Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by alkonaut on Monday February 13, 2017 @09:42AM (#13635536)
> I think there's been some question about some of the newer NATO members for some time though

Perhaps. And surely any country would ponder whether it would be willing to send thousands of young people to their deaths for any cause, regardless of what agreements were signed.

But the point is these things aren't supposed to be discussed in public by the parties that need to demonstrate resolve.

Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by emodendroket on Monday February 13, 2017 @10:41AM (#13636046)
Unless you think the Russian government is filled with incompetent idiots I don't think they're incapable of understanding American resistance to the idea of war over Latvia regardless of what the President says.
Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by alkonaut on Monday February 13, 2017 @11:18AM (#13636385)
> Unless you think the Russian government is filled with incompetent idiots I don't think they're incapable of understanding American resistance to the idea of war over Latvia regardless of what the President says.

If one thinks that "they understand what we think anyway" then the whole idea of foreign poilicy, military posture, diplomacy is moot - it's just various mind readers knowing what everyone thinks :)

Obviously the russians have a good idea what America think and vice versa. Deterrence is having that tiny doubt in the back of their minds that "maybe, just maybe, Article V is really invoked if we do X".

The only thing that is dangerous is removing that doubt - which really can only be done via a clumsy statement from one party bound by it. So long as it's guessing about the status of Article V in a Baltic crisis it's fine. All a US administration has to do is keep everyone guessing.

Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by emodendroket on Monday February 13, 2017 @12:21PM (#13636942)
> The only thing that is dangerous is removing that doubt - which really can only be done via a clumsy statement from one party bound by it. So long as it's guessing about the status of Article V in a Baltic crisis it's fine. All a US administration has to do is keep everyone guessing.

Trump says keeping everyone guessing is his core policy so maybe you guys see more eye-to-eye than you think.

Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by seppin on Monday February 13, 2017 @03:21PM (#13638398)
Americans were willing to die in Iraq, and we still don't know "why" they did.
Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by emodendroket on Monday February 13, 2017 @10:22PM (#13640905)
No other career prospects? Patriotism? Desire for revenge?

I think there's no way that we could have gone on as long as we did (and continued to maintain some presence there even still) with a draft, though. People don't really care that much about a senseless war if they don't sense that they themselves are at risk.

Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by seppin on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @01:39PM (#13645930)
That's my point, there is no "choice" in the matter. An all-volunteer force will do what they are told.
Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by emodendroket on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @03:17PM (#13646722)
Not sure that all-volunteer would be sustainable with a power like Russia as the adversary.
Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by seppin on Sunday February 19, 2017 @02:32PM (#13681455)
Being "all-volunteer" doesnt have anything to do with capability. The US Army is volunteer, and the worlds most capable many times over.
Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by zo1 on Monday February 13, 2017 @09:13AM (#13635287)
We all know how things ended up last time "big" countries decided to honor protection treaties with small nations.