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Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by grabcocque on Monday February 13, 2017 @08:24AM (#13634997)
Because, to put it mildly, Europe has always been able to rely on the US bailing it out when it mishandled some internal or external crisis. Now it's worried it may not be able to take that for granted any more, and may have to take responsibility for its own actions.

Frankly, that's terrifying for Europe. Trump has forcibly removed our training wheels.

That said, NATO's not going anywhere. Theresa May's first action was to get the Trump to publicly reaffirm his commitment to NATO. At worst the US is going to demand other member states start paying the 2% of GDP the treaties they're signatory to actually already require.

Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by bluetomcat on Monday February 13, 2017 @08:43AM (#13635095)
Just like the US bailed out Europe during the "external" migrant crisis, caused by inadequate US foreign policy in the Middle East?
Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by leereeves on Monday February 13, 2017 @08:53AM (#13635155)
The migrant crisis is often attributed to the Syrian Civil War; how was the Syrian Civil War "caused by inadequate US foreign policy in the Middle East"?
Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by fauigerzigerk on Monday February 13, 2017 @10:24AM (#13635893)
The refugee crisis is not just Syrian, it's also very much Afghan and Iraqi. I think the main mistake has been to consistently prioritize opposing Russia over fighting Islamism and a failure of working more eloquently towards a peaceful solution for the Palestinians.

A number of socialist leaning, authoritarian but secular regimes, all cold war allies of Russia, were removed with the help of the US and the UK (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya), leaving behind chaos and civil war. Assad was the last of the bunch and he was very nearly toppled with US help before the Russians saved his ass.

I have no sympathies for these regimes and dictators, but not realizing even after multiple failures that they were not the worst that could possibly happen in those societies was a terrible mistake.

Continental Europe is bearing the brunt and the fascist right in the US and the UK are pouring scorn over the EU for failing to sort this mess out, even exploiting it to support their claim that anything other than bigoted nationalism of the Trump and Brexit variety is bound to fail. "Told you so!"

Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by badosu on Monday February 13, 2017 @09:22AM (#13635346)
You might find this bit on "Hypernormalisation" interesting: https://philebersole.wordpress.com/2016/11/10/adam-curtis-on...

It has a certain sensationalistic bias but nevertheless very educative.

Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by Eridrus on Monday February 13, 2017 @09:33AM (#13635445)
There was a lot of opportunity for the US to put an end to Assad, with a lot more credibility then elsewhere in the Middle East, but that was decided more by the US people's reluctance to get into another war.

The result would probably have been as messy as Iraq was initially, but probably not as messy as what is there now.

Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by chillydawg on Monday February 13, 2017 @08:59AM (#13635185)
That's not a crisis. World War II was a crisis.
Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by VeejayRampay on Monday February 13, 2017 @10:18AM (#13635842)
Managing to pack that much condescension for Europe in a sentence is a wonderful feat.

Why do you need to be a self-hating European like that? Do you think if you cast a good enough light on the US and shit on your own enough, people from the States will somehow recognize you as one of their own?

Re:Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End by BurningFrog on Monday February 13, 2017 @09:11AM (#13635277)
Trump publicly affirms a lot of things.