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Re:High-speed rail taking shape even as opponents seek to ki... by superbaconman on Sunday February 12, 2017 @11:18PM (#13633096)
Re:High-speed rail taking shape even as opponents seek to ki... by djcapelis on Sunday February 12, 2017 @11:22PM (#13633113)
For the most part, that's a completely different part of the state.
Re:High-speed rail taking shape even as opponents seek to ki... by ghaff on Sunday February 12, 2017 @11:40PM (#13633165)
By volume (though certainly not by quality), I assume the Central Valley is the largest producer. Warmer temperatures mean more production but often low quality stuff.
Re:High-speed rail taking shape even as opponents seek to ki... by michaelvoz on Sunday February 12, 2017 @11:22PM (#13633114)
Not nearly the same area of the state...
Re:High-speed rail taking shape even as opponents seek to ki... by WillPostForFood on Monday February 13, 2017 @01:38AM (#13633519)
You think two buck chuck is made from grapes grown in ritzy Napa valley? Large majority of California wine comes from grapes grown in the central valley.

* The Central Valley is California's largest wine region stretching for 300 miles (480 km) from the Sacramento Valley south to the San Joaquin Valley. This one region produces nearly 75% of all California wine grapes and includes many of California's bulk, box and jug wine producers like Gallo, Franzia and Bronco Wine Company.*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_wine#Wine_regions

Re:High-speed rail taking shape even as opponents seek to ki... by milesrout on Sunday February 12, 2017 @11:21PM (#13633108)
80% of California's water is used by agriculture.
Re:High-speed rail taking shape even as opponents seek to ki... by WillPostForFood on Monday February 13, 2017 @01:34AM (#13633510)
This is false. I don't blame you because it is often repeated. But agriculture only accounts for about 40% of California's water use.

In an average year, about 39% of California's water consumption, or 34.1 million acre-feet, is used for agricultural purposes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_in_California#Uses_of_wa...

Re:High-speed rail taking shape even as opponents seek to ki... by doh on Monday February 13, 2017 @01:54AM (#13633582)
It's actually not false. If you read the article you posted, you will see that half of the water is used for environmental uses. That means is not used by humans, but "let go".

So if you sum the rest, agriculture does use 80% of the water used by humans.

Re:High-speed rail taking shape even as opponents seek to ki... by WillPostForFood on Monday February 13, 2017 @06:52PM (#13640013)
Directing water to a tree to grow almonds, and directing it to a stream to support the delta smelt are both human directed usages. You can't just count the usages you don't like to make the number look big.
Re:High-speed rail taking shape even as opponents seek to ki... by doh on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @02:45AM (#13641951)
If you're looking at it this way, that every single stream is managed, then yes, you're right. I rather think that we develop only the water sources that make the most sense and leave the rest be.

This way we could talk about the incredible amounts of gold that is diluted in oceans that we could harvest "anytime" [0]. It's around 21x more than humans mined in the whole history.

[0] http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/gold.html

Re:High-speed rail taking shape even as opponents seek to ki... by joshfraser on Monday February 13, 2017 @01:57AM (#13633594)
Also from that link:

"Solely relying on these statewide volumes is controversial because they don't consider the fact that most of the volume of water used for environmental purposes includes flows down Wild and Scenic Rivers in the North Coast where there is no practical way to recover it for either agricultural or urban use because it lacks many connections to the statewide water supply system."