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Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by mschuster91 on Sunday February 12, 2017 @03:40AM (#13627452)
> Does anyone have some examples of the practical problems they experience using Linux, which can't easily be solved in any other way than going to Windows?

I worked there. The biggest problems back a few years ago:

1) So-called "Fachverfahren", basically software for stuff like managing drivers' licenses or other bureaucratic procedures, is written and supplied for Windows only. Often enough that meant Munich had to pay a boatload of money for a Linux port. Or the software HAD a Linux port, but for RHEL or other "enterprise linux" crap distros - which meant using stuff like "alien" or, worse, manual repackaging to make them compatible with Ubuntu. Yay for version hell - statically linked programs were an exception.

2) DRIVERS. There's a lot of custom hardware - special printers for printing on documents like ID cards, fingerprint readers for the new national ID cards, RFID readers with support for said ID cards... you won't believe how much stuff there is. And all of this needs to have Linux drivers and tooling.

3) Employee training. Back in my days KDE was used (and I believe it still is), but it's different enough from Windows that people need training. And there's 35k of employees, most of which don't have any IT experience outside from their Windows computer at home.

4) The computers themselves. Let's just say that the computers in any public agency are almost always horribly outdated. Many users complain(ed) about the speed of LiMux, which mostly was caused by old or underpowered (esp. RAM, given that OpenOffice and Firefox are really really memory hungry) systems.

5) Networking. Depends on the building and agency, of course, but e.g. my school was connected via a 16 mbit uplink, over which the entire Internet traffic went...

I believe the biggest problem LiMux had and still has is a lack of proper funding - especially for hardware.

Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by sveme on Sunday February 12, 2017 @04:14AM (#13627537)
Adding to that, a couple of months ago they had to close the KVR, the office where you have to register yourself, your car and basically have all your contacts with German bureaucracy down for a couple of days due to IT issues.

As far as I know, your points 1) and 2) are the main issues. Having to work myself with software talking to Windows hardware drivers from MacOS via Parallels, I can understand the problems of this additional complexity.

Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by mschuster91 on Sunday February 12, 2017 @05:56AM (#13627814)
It's not just IT issues (the IT crashes down not that often, don't let the media fool you!). It's massive staffing issues. There are way too few people employed at the public service desks, and it's easier to hide this by blaming IT. This was the case years ago, and it still is.

The lack of staff is especially a problem as the employees have to be trained in a lot of different areas of law and procedures (because the Bürgerbüros/KVR are quite generic and offer all different kinds of services), so you can't just shift employees around... and Munich has the added problem of extremely high living costs combined with extremely low, un-competitive pay.

Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by luca_ing on Monday February 13, 2017 @08:39AM (#13635070)
> It's massive staffing issues. There are way too few people employed at the public service desks, and it's easier to hide this by blaming IT. This was the case years ago, and it still is.

Thank you for confirming my suspicions, fellow Munich-dweller.

While the mayor's office even publicly admit that the staffing situation is atrocious, they probably can't resist to pass at least some of the blame.

Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by sveme on Monday February 13, 2017 @09:53AM (#13635625)
There's the huge issue in Munich that the city cannot pay much more than has been agreed upon country-wide, it's all according to TVL. So in a city as expensive as Munich and with such a low unemployment rate, why would anyone start working for the city and not just choose a company? That's even more difficult for IT and other academic personnel.
Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by mschuster91 on Monday February 13, 2017 @05:40PM (#13639492)
Back in the days there was the saying that if you had a training/education that is useful in the private sector you 'd be either a moron or an hopeless idealist if you worked for the public sector - no matter if for the city, the Stadtwerke (utility company), firefighters, cops... only the cops and teachers get a "Münchenzuschlag" to compensate for higher cost of living. Then again it isn't nearly enough to fill the difference.
Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by luca_ing on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @06:43AM (#13642831)
You're right.

But they also deliberately shrunk the staff levels a few years ago to save money.

Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by yellowapple on Monday February 13, 2017 @02:30AM (#13633689)
It sounds like 1) could've been partially avoided by going with an RPM-based distro.

4) and 5) would've been problematic on Windows, too (in fact, Windows would've struggled even more with 4).

Hopefully 2, 3, and the remainder of 1 will continue to improve, but they are indeed obstacles even today (users tend to get frustrated with Linux's "quirks", and the driver situation is still abysmal for printers and scanners, which are vital in offices; Wine is getting good enough to be a viable solution in some situations, but it's by no means a universal solution at this point).