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Re:Four Kinds of Dystopia by zzzcpan on Saturday February 11, 2017 @12:48PM (#13623716)
> My believing something is something doesn't make it so.

Your definition is exactly about beliefs. It can never be precisely interpreted, each interpretation depends entirely on what you consider good or bad and why.

Re:Four Kinds of Dystopia by ivraatiems on Saturday February 11, 2017 @12:53PM (#13623746)
"My" definition is the generally accepted definition, and that kind of relativism is convenient for you in that makes it impossible to have a discussion about it, but ignores the context in which the term has been used since its inception.

You're not responding to my questions or points, so I think this conversation's not productive anymore.

Re:Four Kinds of Dystopia by zzzcpan on Saturday February 11, 2017 @12:56PM (#13623758)
> but ignores the context in which the term has been used since its inception

Interestingly, I wanted to say the same to you. The term has been used to describe states that have the exact same goals as any modern state, but not a "bad" place.

Re:Four Kinds of Dystopia by smallnamespace on Saturday February 11, 2017 @12:55PM (#13623755)
> what you consider good or bad and why

The prefix 'dys-' literally comes from the PIE for 'bad, ill, evil'.

If you wanted to avoid subjective moral judgments in discussion, then I'd recommend you don't start it off by using the term 'dystopia', which implies subjective negative judgement [1].

[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=dystopia%20etymology&rct=j