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Re:Intel Confirms 8th Gen Core on 14nm, Data Center First to... by samfisher83 on Friday February 10, 2017 @03:26PM (#13618579)
Lets hope the Ryzen is the real deal.I mean the i7-3610 is just as good as my i7-6700hq which was like 3 or 4 years ago. Without competition we are in trouble. I remember when Athlon64 came it made Intel come up with core2duo which was a quantum leap from p4.
Re:Intel Confirms 8th Gen Core on 14nm, Data Center First to... by sqeaky on Friday February 10, 2017 @03:55PM (#13618806)
I agree with you that competition is important. I disagree that the improvements in generations of i7s are as minor as they superficially seem to be.

For at least my task, compiling large amounts of C++, the difference between the different i7s is huge. I get a new expensive laptop every two years (and a cheaper machine for portability or other purposes each off year). I have a high end 1st, 2nd, 4th and 6th gen i7 each machine is measurably faster with the oldest machine taking almost 10 minutes and the newest taking just about 2 minutes to build the same codebase.

Re:Intel Confirms 8th Gen Core on 14nm, Data Center First to... by fictioncircle on Friday February 10, 2017 @05:25PM (#13619463)
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/processor-...

You are comparing various mobile CPUs for each generation which isn't quite the same thing most people are likely talking about. Desktop and Mobile CPUs aren't the same thing (usually).

I suspect you are comparing the improvements along the lines Intel says it can still improve (lower power chips) but its simply because you keep buying laptops vs. desktops. If you had been buying desktops, I suspect you wouldn't notice the improvement.

My desktop I built 4 years ago compiles within ~20% as my desktop at work with its shiny new Xeon.

Re:Intel Confirms 8th Gen Core on 14nm, Data Center First to... by dman on Friday February 10, 2017 @04:39PM (#13619137)
Which is your latest i7 chip? Did you switch from hdd to ssd somewhere along the way? What are the core counts with each generation ?
Re:Intel Confirms 8th Gen Core on 14nm, Data Center First to... by sqeaky on Friday February 10, 2017 @05:34PM (#13619518)
The newest machine has an I7 6700k.

Every machine has a raid 1 of "high performance" SSDs. Most have Corsair force3 GTs. The 4th gen is an untrabook with room for only one SATA3 ssd, so I put a Mushkin M3 drive in in for the raid. The Newest machine some other SSD that is just slightly faster. The read speeds are something like this 1st gen -> 1.2GB/s, 2nd gen -> 1.2GB/s, 4th gen -> 1.1GB/s (the M3 drive slows it slightly), 6th gen -> 1.3GB/s.

Each machine is faster than the previous by a wide margin, far more than the proportional speed difference from the slowest to the fastest. There is almost a whole minute between (3m to 2m) from the 4th to 6th.

The first gen has 2 cores with hyperthreading (looks like 4 in gnome system monitor), the quad cores with hyperthreading where far out of my price range. All the rest, the 2nd, 4th and 6th gen have 4 cores and hyperthreading (looks like 8 in gnome system monitor).

For reference each of these was around $1,600 plus or minus $200, except the 6th gen. The 6th also has an nVidia 980 (not the normal mobile version) and 4 total hard drives. The other two drives are large mechanical disks that I only mount when I am doing stuff with movies or other large offline data, I do not believe they have any impact on the benchmark. This machine cost $3,200 after all the crap I did to it.

Re:Intel Confirms 8th Gen Core on 14nm, Data Center First to... by farresito on Friday February 10, 2017 @05:17PM (#13619402)
Do SSDs make any noticeable difference? I think I once read a post (maybe from Joel) where they bought SSDs and the difference in compilation time was negligible.
Re:Intel Confirms 8th Gen Core on 14nm, Data Center First to... by sqeaky on Friday February 10, 2017 @05:36PM (#13619526)
I think it might even depend on the build complexity. It is possible to write code that requires insane amount of CPU time with the write (wrong?!) kind of C++ template metaprogramming.
Re:Intel Confirms 8th Gen Core on 14nm, Data Center First to... by dman on Friday February 10, 2017 @05:38PM (#13619541)
At work my compile times went down by 70% on switching to a SSD.
Re:Intel Confirms 8th Gen Core on 14nm, Data Center First to... by sqeaky on Friday February 10, 2017 @06:08PM (#13619724)
What language? How big of a build? Is your build too large to fit in RAM?
Re:Intel Confirms 8th Gen Core on 14nm, Data Center First to... by dman on Friday February 10, 2017 @06:23PM (#13619807)
C++ on windows. Lets just say that the number of things hooking into file modified notifications (anti viruses etc) are largely the culprit.
Re:Intel Confirms 8th Gen Core on 14nm, Data Center First to... by samfisher83 on Friday February 10, 2017 @07:36PM (#13620195)
I compile chromium all the time and the difference between the 2 can't be more than 10%.
Re:Intel Confirms 8th Gen Core on 14nm, Data Center First to... by sqeaky on Monday February 13, 2017 @11:24AM (#13636440)
What do your two setups look like?
Re:Intel Confirms 8th Gen Core on 14nm, Data Center First to... by throwawaydbfif on Saturday February 11, 2017 @05:14PM (#13625156)
My overclocked 1st gen i5 is about half the speed of a brand new mid range processor. It's almost 7 years old and I still have no need to replace it.

I've considered getting a new PC for SATA 600 and USB 3.0 more than I care that I could have a new machine that's only twice as fast.

Re:Intel Confirms 8th Gen Core on 14nm, Data Center First to... by flamedoge on Friday February 10, 2017 @05:56PM (#13619657)
Without competition we are in trouble - only because of monopoly pricing. competition or not, extracting more perf is non-trivial work.