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Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by dang on Friday February 10, 2017 @12:22PM (#13617055)
Ok, we've put "Google Code-In winner" in the title since it's more specific.

Still please don't comment like this here. The combination of harshness and niticking is particularly unwelcome.

Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by relics443 on Friday February 10, 2017 @12:37PM (#13617192)
I agree with his intent but not his delivery.

However, asking a community with many engineers to not harshly nitpick someone else's contribution is a futile task.

Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by dang on Friday February 10, 2017 @01:21PM (#13617575)
If we ask politely and explain why, most people are happy to play along. It's easy to see how trying for higher-quality discussion is good for the community.
Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by vog on Friday February 10, 2017 @12:50PM (#13617306)
> asking a community with many engineers to not harshly nitpick someone else's contribution is a futile task.

Behaviour like this also not acceptable in "real life", neither at work place nor anywhere else.

Maybe some get away with that cliché behaviour, but in my experience this is just an inappropriate way to deal with their own weaknesses, leading to embarrassing situations (for them) as soon as they get to work with people more experienced than they are.

Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by relics443 on Friday February 10, 2017 @12:54PM (#13617353)
I agree that it's not acceptable. Doesn't mean it's not futile to ask for it to stop.
Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by azernik on Friday February 10, 2017 @12:58PM (#13617400)
I have worked in professional software engineering environments where people acted professionally, and plan to create one in my new company. The mentality that "nerds will be nerds" enables and perpetuates this counterproductive behavior.
Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by relics443 on Friday February 10, 2017 @01:19PM (#13617557)
Same here. But a new engineer I hired who looked great on paper and on his interviews is just obscene. He's not a great engineer to boot. Can't fire him because I need him for now. I don't think it's a self perpetuating stereotype. I think some people are wired that way, and engineers tend to skew there because of the way their brains work (obviously not every engineer).
Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by vog on Friday February 10, 2017 @03:28PM (#13618593)
> I think some people are wired that way

How is this attitude different from perpetuating stereotypes?

Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by pinnbert on Friday February 10, 2017 @01:29PM (#13617662)
Don't for get that some people who think they are smart really are.
Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by vog on Friday February 10, 2017 @03:33PM (#13618640)
So what? Is "smartness" an excuse for the unwillingless to learn productive (or at least non-destructive) social behaviour?

If anything, I'd argue it is exactly the reverse: From people describing themselves as "smart" I expect the ability to learn this even more.

They are definitely not too dumb to learn this: Internalizing some basic rules of social behaviour is not harder than learning a new programming language or familiarizing with a new framework. It's not because they are unable, but because they don't care and got away with it so far - by which I mean they didn't have to face the consequences of the damage they created in the past. That's why any reasonable manager (or community leader) needs to create an environment where they have to care early on, before anything significant happens.

Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by pizza on Friday February 10, 2017 @06:45PM (#13619935)
but the inherent futility of the belief that its better to believe its futile to ask people to be nice is a worse situation
Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by analogmemory on Friday February 10, 2017 @11:45AM (#13616728)
Jesus, get some coffee or something. 34 Grand Prize Winners out of 1300 isn't something to scoff at. Considering his situation. It's not like he's being coddled with a participation trophy like some white kid in Beverly Hills.
Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by relics443 on Friday February 10, 2017 @11:49AM (#13616768)
It makes it sound as if he's a champion coder at Google, because it's lacking context. It's a clickbait title to drive views towards an exploitation piece (not necessarily negative exploitation, but still exploitation).
Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by fundameen on Friday February 10, 2017 @04:03PM (#13618866)
"rich kid" not "white kid"...
Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by pizza on Friday February 10, 2017 @06:51PM (#13619967)
some numbers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverly_Hills,_California#Demo...

census says >80% are white and the typical household income was nearly ~$90k, too. That isn't a bad thing because of Beverly Hills per se, but it does seem typical of wealth not flowing freely enough in this country.

Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by chinhodado on Friday February 10, 2017 @11:47AM (#13616755)
You're just being too harsh. Most people have no idea what Google Code-In is. Sure, you can change it to "Google coding competition winner" but "champion" is not that bad anyway.
Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by relics443 on Friday February 10, 2017 @11:47AM (#13616754)
Was just going to say that. I'm all for getting teens involved, but it's dangerous to puff up too much. I'm sure he's very proud of his work, but I'm not sure I would categorize it as a "series of complex technical tasks". I can't find exactly what he worked on, but from a blog post he wrote [1] it seems like pretty basic stuff:

I made a few PRs on the OpenMRS source code (had to squash a lot of commit though), and a PR on the reference application to allow login using only the keyboard! That was the most tricky task I did

[1] https://collingrimm.wordpress.com/2017/01/15/gci-week-7-over...

Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by cbhl on Friday February 10, 2017 @02:22PM (#13618066)
I would argue that this is a "series of complex social tasks" -- Google Code-In is about having high school students get contributions to real open-source projects accepted. That means communicating over Slack/IRC/Mailing Lists, and learning each project's conventions, and so forth.

I remember taking part in this competition in high school, and I was only able to get one task done. And -- disclaimer -- I work for Google now.

By comparison, USACO or the Canadian Computing Competition is a walk in the park.

Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by adamsea on Friday February 10, 2017 @12:38PM (#13617205)
Yes, it is quite dangerous to puff up too much. A teen is liable to pop if over-puffed ...
Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by xrisk on Friday February 10, 2017 @11:49AM (#13616766)
Yes, I know exactly what GCI is, being a finalist myself.
Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by maged on Friday February 10, 2017 @11:46AM (#13616741)
Is it not a coding competition?
Re:Google Code-In winner whose Cameroon hometown is cut off ... by royalharsh95 on Friday February 10, 2017 @12:11PM (#13616961)