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Re:YC at Columbia, Harvard, MIT, Stanford, UPenn by morgante on Thursday February 09, 2017 @12:38PM (#13608901)
> University of Illinois has 32,878 undergraduates

That's a fair point. It'd be interesting if YC could do some sort of data analysis on attendance for their events at a big state school vs. an elite school.

> Illinois students aren't filtered by exactly how generous a discount the financial aid office

Most elite universities are need-blind.

Spreading these myths does a disservice to smart, poor kids. Thinking they can't possibly get in, or afford it if they do, dissuades many of the underrepresented students from applying. That's part of why I push back so hard when people try to spread bullshit or the notion that you can only go to Harvard if you're rich.

> I suspect the top 25% does pretty well scholarship money wise at Illinois too

I can tell you that elite universities were a lot more generous with scholarships for me (smart, poor kid) than any lower tier schools.

Re:YC at Columbia, Harvard, MIT, Stanford, UPenn by xapata on Thursday February 09, 2017 @01:43PM (#13609593)
> need-blind

Only goes so far. They don't offer aid to students wishing to take SAT prep courses. Admissions criteria include vague things like oddball extracurriculars. It's an interesting coincidence that wealthy people tend to engage in the same activities that top schools consider signals of a "well-rounded" applicant.

Re:YC at Columbia, Harvard, MIT, Stanford, UPenn by morgante on Thursday February 09, 2017 @01:52PM (#13609678)
Oh please. You can do plenty of SAT prep at the library. My parents certainly couldn't afford an SAT prep course for me. The effect of such courses is vastly overblown—they mostly just sit you down with the same books you can get for free at the library (or for $20 on Amazon).

There are plenty of "oddball" extracurriculars that rural poor students can engage in. My admissions essay was literally about hiking with an ancient backpack covered in duct tape.

Re:YC at Columbia, Harvard, MIT, Stanford, UPenn by xapata on Friday February 10, 2017 @12:46AM (#13613500)
Your personal experience is contradicted by some systematic studies. Unfortunately I don't have the citations nearby, but I'm sure if you search Google Scholar you'll find that you are an unusual person.
Re:YC at Columbia, Harvard, MIT, Stanford, UPenn by sn9 on Friday February 10, 2017 @07:59PM (#13620295)
I think you're overestimating the extent that SAT prep courses play in college admissions compared to, say, personal tutors or involved parents who have knowledge about the particular rituals needed to get into good schools.
Re:YC at Columbia, Harvard, MIT, Stanford, UPenn by xapata on Friday February 10, 2017 @09:51AM (#13615719)
I should add that while it's true a child can visit the library to study for the SAT, it seems that's not very common.

I looked up some articles about SAT prep, reports say preparing for the test increases scores about 25 points on average. I'm not sure whether that was from the 2400 or 1600 test.

Re:YC at Columbia, Harvard, MIT, Stanford, UPenn by pitt1980 on Thursday February 09, 2017 @04:06PM (#13610987)
Not that it matters, but I'm sort of confused as to what lower tier schools you applied to

At every state school whose scholarship packages I'm familiar with (granted sample size of 3, plus antedotally maybe 5 or so more), an applicant with your SAT scores would have almost certainly been offered a full ride, probably with a stipend as well

Re:YC at Columbia, Harvard, MIT, Stanford, UPenn by pitt1980 on Thursday February 09, 2017 @01:03PM (#13609176)
I should probably have left out the last point as it was a distraction from the overall point

whether what's dissuading them from going to ivy league schools are myths or not, the larger point, is that big state schools tend to have pretty (statistically) good critical masses at the top of them