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Re:Bat fellatio causes a scandal in academia by patio11 on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @04:23AM (#1360437)
I swing far more Republican than I do women's studies, but does anyone here seriously expect me to believe there is a perfectly innocent, professional explanation for a clinical psychologist to give a paper on bat fellatio to a colleague?

There is almost certainly a researcher somewhere who does comparative anatomical measurements of land and sea mammals. If you bring the visual aids for the study to your friendly neighborhood chemist on the excuse that it is science and she's a scientist so "Haha", I have zero sympathy.

Re:Bat fellatio causes a scandal in academia by cperciva on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @05:02AM (#1360487)
does anyone here seriously expect me to believe there is a perfectly innocent, professional explanation for a clinical psychologist to give a paper on bat fellatio to a colleague?

Yes. The article refers to "an ongoing discussion on human uniqueness"; I've personally been part of discussions where people have made (entirely incorrect) assertions along the lines of "animals don't engage in reproductively ineffective sexual activity".

I have no difficulty at all in accepting that a paper about bat fellatio was required in order to contradict a belief that fellatio is a human-only behaviour.

Re:Bat fellatio causes a scandal in academia by anthonyb on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @09:54AM (#1360922)
"As part of what he says was an ongoing discussion on human uniqueness..."

Context is everything. Even if what he says is true, what's acceptable as a one-off joke takes an entirely different meaning when it's just the latest in a series of affronts. If you haven't read it already, the other side of the story paints a pretty different picture to the article: http://felidware.com/DylanEvans/c1.jpg http://felidware.com/DylanEvans/c2.jpg

Sounds to me like the guy is socially inept, and unable to tell when he's making her uncomfortable.

Re:Bat fellatio causes a scandal in academia by chc on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @11:03AM (#1361145)
None of the other events she describes have an obvious sexual undertone, even if we accept the paper did. She appears to be describing a friendly person who enjoys talking to his colleagues about things he's interested in when he gets in to work. Let's look at her complaints:

1. He asked her to comment on a scientific paper involving sexual behavior in animals.

2. He told her about a book he was reading on Casanova — specifically that he admired Casanova's adaptability to different situations and skill at gambling (Note: This is the emphasis she herself gives; I'm not downplaying any sexual component)

3. He said he would like to do a course on "sinful" behavior such as gambling, in which he might dress like the devil on some occasion

4. He asked her out to dinner, saying she could bring her husband and he would bring his girlfriend. He showed up without his girlfriend, but did bring another companion in her place. At the end of the night he gave her a hug and kissed her cheek "in the presence of [her] husband"

5. He likes to come into her office in the morning and chat, often about technical fields outside of his degree

6. He initially complimented her along the lines of "You look good in that outfit," she told him she didn't appreciate that sort of talk, and since then he has been more distant and kept his conversation with her strictly to scholarly matters

The picture she paints of him is very much that of a friendly guy who likes to talk to his peers about the things he's thinking about. Particularly the incident where she was scandalized that he hugged her and gave her a kiss on the cheek in front of her husband combined with how upset she was that he'd thought about dressing as the devil makes me think this is a culture clash between somebody extremely conservative and somebody much less so.

Re:Bat fellatio causes a scandal in academia by flatline on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @10:04AM (#1360959)
And, it sounds like she has not done the proper thing and told him to knock it off, that it really bothers her, etc. She mentioned several times that she just dodged/avoided him, which is human nature but is exactly the wrong thing to do if you are at the point of writing a letter like this. It sounds like this came to this guy through the administration somewhat of the blue, whether he was clueless about his innuendos or not (my guess is not but who knows). Now he's going to do everything in his power and rally support to defend himself - not at all what the accuser wanted or most likely deserved.
Re:Bat fellatio causes a scandal in academia by alex_c on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @11:33AM (#1361232)
I weep for a society where our fear of being accused of social harassment will outweigh our desire for social interaction, no matter how awkward or inept.
Re:Bat fellatio causes a scandal in academia by mpk on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @06:16AM (#1360576)
Didn't some guy win the ignoble prize a few years ago for documenting the occurrence of homosexual necrophilia in ducks?

You'd be surprised at all the things being researched.

Re:Bat fellatio causes a scandal in academia by rbanffy on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @10:20AM (#1361021)
That would be Dutch researcher Kees Moeliker.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2005/mar/08/highereducat...

Re:Bat fellatio causes a scandal in academia by vixen99 on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @11:37AM (#1361243)
Not if it's on tax-payers' money, I wouldn't.
Re:Bat fellatio causes a scandal in academia by larrywright on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @10:19AM (#1361019)
I bet his parents are proud.
Re:Bat fellatio causes a scandal in academia by Tichy on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @07:25AM (#1360669)
This seems like a good opportunity to recommend the book "Why is sex fun?" by Jared Diamond.http://www.amazon.com/Why-Sex-Fun-Evolution-Sexuality/dp/046...

(Or apparently "The Third Chimpanzee", some reviewers claim that is a superset of the book).

Re:Bat fellatio causes a scandal in academia by yummyfajitas on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @08:23AM (#1360762)
I believe it, because I've been the "victim" of similar behavior.

I've had at least two people point me to information about animal homosexuality in an attempt to get me to change my opinion on certain gay rights topics. I'm pretty sure there was no innuendo.

(It was a pointless exercise, since my objections to the gay rights movement have nothing to do with traditionalist or naturalist arguments.)

Re:Bat fellatio causes a scandal in academia by dalore on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @08:34AM (#1360775)
Calling yourself a "victim" when your against gay rights?

That's like calling the white slave land owners "victims" when they were against the abolishment of slavery.

Re:Bat fellatio causes a scandal in academia by yummyfajitas on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @08:42AM (#1360791)
I don't consider myself a victim. Please read up on the use of scare quotes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes

Also, I don't recall saying I was against gay rights. For the record, I favor giving gays the same set of rights that straight people should be given (as opposed to the set of rights straight people are actually given). But this is widely interpreted by lazy people as meaning I'm against gay rights.

Re:Bat fellatio causes a scandal in academia by carnevalem on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @10:02AM (#1360950)
Could you explain what you mean by that? I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say.
Re:Bat fellatio causes a scandal in academia by pyre on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @11:26AM (#1361212)
Is this a round-about way of saying that you're against 'gay marriage' because you feel that marriage/civil unions shouldn't be a legal/government matter (i.e. only handled by the religious organizations, etc)?
Re:Bat fellatio causes a scandal in academia by MartinCron on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @11:44AM (#1361259)
There's a compelling argument that government should get out of the marriage business altogether and give gay and straight couples "civil unions" alike.

If, as some people claim, marriage is a sacred institution, why is the state involved at all? Who would be OK with having to go to the courthouse to get a baptism license?

For people who object, choosing to attend a church that doesn't perform gay marriages will be no different from choosing a church that wouldn't perform anything else. Churches aren't regulated. (note: this is almost a "let the market decide" argument)

I do not, however, support the rights of fellating bats to have civil unions, because bats are creepy.