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Re:Amazon S3 Introduces Reduced Redundancy Storage (2x vs 3x) by justinsb on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @02:32AM (#1360293)
Re:Amazon S3 Introduces Reduced Redundancy Storage (2x vs 3x) by stcredzero on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @06:57AM (#1360647)
S4 should respond with a "No Redundancy" feature.

http://www.supersimplestorageservice.com/

Re:Amazon S3 Introduces Reduced Redundancy Storage (2x vs 3x) by tlrobinson on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @02:45AM (#1360311)
A preemptive strike against Google's rumored S3 competitor?
Re:Amazon S3 Introduces Reduced Redundancy Storage (2x vs 3x) by pytxab on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @04:54AM (#1360476)
Doubt it. This isn't a big enough feature to be driven by that situation. It sounds like a routine product improvement to me.
Re:Amazon S3 Introduces Reduced Redundancy Storage (2x vs 3x) by petervandijck on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @08:32AM (#1360772)
I actually think it is. It'll make it harder to say "we're cheaper than aws". Now people will have to qualify that (we're cheaper than some of s3), which makes the statement much weaker.
Re:Amazon S3 Introduces Reduced Redundancy Storage (2x vs 3x) by tybris on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @10:15AM (#1361005)
Well, perhaps they have some corporate spies saying that Google will only store things twice to compete with S3 on cost. Probably not though.
Re:Amazon S3 Introduces Reduced Redundancy Storage (2x vs 3x) by pkulak on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @02:59AM (#1360328)
If I use this, how do I know when I need to recreate an object?
Re:Amazon S3 Introduces Reduced Redundancy Storage (2x vs 3x) by bbgm on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @03:03AM (#1360332)
From Jeff Barr's blog post: http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2010/05/new-amazon-s3-reduced-red...

"If Amazon S3 detects that an object has been lost any subsequent requests for that object will return the HTTP 405 ("Method Not Allowed") status code. Your application can then handle this error in an appropriate fashion. If the object lives elsewhere you would fetch it, put it back into S3 (using the same key), and then retry the retrieval operation. If the object was designed to be derived from other information, you would do the processing (perhaps it is an image scaling or transcoding task), put the new image back into S3 (again, using the same key), and retry the retrieval operation."

Re:Amazon S3 Introduces Reduced Redundancy Storage (2x vs 3x) by mark_l_watson on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @11:35AM (#1361235)
Amazon sells technology that they developed for their own use. I wonder what data they store in RRS? Tracking information? User calculated preferences on products?
Re:Amazon S3 Introduces Reduced Redundancy Storage (2x vs 3x) by DenisM on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @02:00PM (#1361764)
map-reduce jobs intermediate results?
Re:Amazon S3 Introduces Reduced Redundancy Storage (2x vs 3x) by petervandijck on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @08:34AM (#1360776)
I'm probably an aws fanboi by now but I think this is great. Store your not-so-important stuff 30% cheaper. I can see how I'd use this immediately.
Re:Amazon S3 Introduces Reduced Redundancy Storage (2x vs 3x) by braindead_in on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @02:08AM (#1360251)
Is the price less for this? It doesn't say.
Re:Amazon S3 Introduces Reduced Redundancy Storage (2x vs 3x) by amock on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @02:11AM (#1360254)
https://aws.amazon.com/s3/#pricing gives the new pricing.
Re:Amazon S3 Introduces Reduced Redundancy Storage (2x vs 3x) by justinsb on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @02:19AM (#1360269)
Pricing starts at 10c/GB rather than 15c/GB; hence I figured it's stored in 2 locations rather than S3's default 3 location redundancy.
Re:Amazon S3 Introduces Reduced Redundancy Storage (2x vs 3x) by tlrobinson on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @02:43AM (#1360307)
Does that match up with the 99.999999999% vs 99.99% durability figures? I don't know what the proper math is here.

edit: they do explicitly say "Designed to sustain the concurrent loss of data in two facilities"

Re:Amazon S3 Introduces Reduced Redundancy Storage (2x vs 3x) by gduffy on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @03:54AM (#1360400)
Inexact at best, but ..

  P(3 locations failing) = 1-0.99999999999

  P(1 location failing) = P(3 locations failing)^(1/3) = 0.000215443475

  P(2 locations failing) = P(1 location failing)^2 = 0.999569159
Re:Amazon S3 Introduces Reduced Redundancy Storage (2x vs 3x) by justinsb on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @03:50AM (#1360398)
I think you're right ... I don't see how these figures are consistent. Maybe they're factoring in the time it takes to restore a copy, maybe 'normal redundancy' S3 is doing something clever, maybe it's simply another instance of Amazon being economical with the truth.
Re:Amazon S3 Introduces Reduced Redundancy Storage (2x vs 3x) by dfranke on Wednesday May 19, 2010 @10:45AM (#1361101)
There is no proper math. 99.999999999% is a very silly number. The probability of all of Amazon's datacenters being destroyed in nuclear war within the next year well exceeds 0.000000001%.