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Re:YC Research: Universal Healthcare by bluGill on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @05:15PM (#13593434)
You forget one part: patients do not care what insurance costs because their employer chooses what they use and what price they pay.

If I could buy health insurance separately from my company I'd look into it. I know my company pays at least as much as I do for my insurance, but if I go off the company plan I can't get that money to use for insurance I like.

The result of this is I have incentive to not care what anyone charges. The only thing I can do is lower my satisfaction job rating if the doctor I want to go to isn't covered by my plan. If I actually could choose insurance I would would look into cheaper plans - if they tell me the doctor I want is more expensive so I need a more expensive plan to cover using him I would then have incentive to choose: see if I like a cheaper doctor, or pay more for the one I like.

The result of employer providing my health insurance is a large source of dysfunction in the health care market. I illustrated one, but there are others. (Note, there are other dysfunctions in the health care market - always it is complex)

Re:YC Research: Universal Healthcare by maverick_iceman on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @05:50PM (#13593720)
Seconded. Health insurance should be completely decoupled from employment. I consider my employer provided insurance to be wildly extravagant and would prefer a much more bare bone version if it was up to me.
Re:YC Research: Universal Healthcare by clarkmoody on Wednesday February 08, 2017 @11:48AM (#13599712)
Late to this thread, but what sibling comments fail to mention is that employer-provided healthcare also benefits from a tax advantage: healthcare benefits are paid for with before-tax money and are not taxed as income.

So a middle-salary employee is looking at a 25% increase in healthcare costs due to paying with after-tax money.

Re:YC Research: Universal Healthcare by chimeracoder on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @06:04PM (#13593831)
> If I could buy health insurance separately from my company I'd look into it.

You can. It's probably not in your best interest, because the individual market plans are more expensive, but there's nothing stopping you.

> I know my company pays at least as much as I do for my insurance, but if I go off the company plan I can't get that money to use for insurance I like.

That's your employer's choice. They could provide a cafeteria plan, which would give you the choice (but again, since individual plans are always going to be more expensive for the same level of coverage[0], they'd have to pay more money overall to provide the same tier of benefits).

[0] simply due to basic actuarial math

Re:YC Research: Universal Healthcare by prostoalex on Wednesday February 08, 2017 @12:17AM (#13595960)
> If I could buy health insurance separately from my company I'd look into it.

You can always venture away from your employer and visit healthcare.gov or a relevant state exchange.

From what you're describing I think what you're looking for is an HMO - either a branded facility like Kaiser or a "provider network" that agreed to guarantee prices to that specific insurance company.

You won't gain much transparency though - every provider works off the master price list, and the insurance company then negotiates a discount highly correlated with the size of that insurance company and general presence in the region.

Re:YC Research: Universal Healthcare by bluGill on Wednesday February 08, 2017 @10:49AM (#13599118)
Technically I can. However the cost to me is much more than what I pay now, even if I go with the most basic plan (which isn't even very basic - the law requires a lot of coverage that a true basic plan would exclude).