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Re:Ocean fish could disappear in 40 years by RyanMcGreal on Tuesday May 18, 2010 @10:18AM (#1357490)
>THE world faces the nightmare possibility of fishless oceans by 2050 unless fishing fleets are slashed and stocks allowed to recover, UN experts warned.

An important lesson from the Canadian cod collapse is that when populations drop below a critical threshold, the stocks never recover.

Re:Ocean fish could disappear in 40 years by hga on Tuesday May 18, 2010 @11:05AM (#1357680)
That may be due to the cod being an apex predator. I.e. has the total biomass of the region collapsed?

However this is a classic Tragedy of the Commons example and the fact that Canada dithered long enough for it to reach what looks like a point of no return is sobering (I was living in the Boston area in the dozen years leading up to Canada's closing of fishery and remember reading articles about this). Some governments are simply not going to handle this well for the regions of the ocean they economically control, and plenty of the ocean (although I don't know how much of it is how productive) is beyond those areas.

All that said, we're likely to see a continuation of farm raised fish replacing wild catched. Something akin to this happened thousands of years ago as we converted to agriculture.

Re:Ocean fish could disappear in 40 years by ilovecomputers on Tuesday May 18, 2010 @01:43PM (#1358308)
If we're gonna farm fish, we best do it right: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EUAMe2ixCI
Re:Ocean fish could disappear in 40 years by warfangle on Tuesday May 18, 2010 @02:41PM (#1358522)
Couldn't watch the talk at the moment (bookmarking for later), but additionally (saw this on HN a few months back):

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/garden/18aqua.html

Re:Ocean fish could disappear in 40 years by hga on Tuesday May 18, 2010 @03:49PM (#1358785)
Very cool; I've mused about raising catfish in the basement before, but obviously you can go a lot further, more diversified and more full cycle.

Thanks!

Re:Ocean fish could disappear in 40 years by poppysan on Tuesday May 18, 2010 @05:45PM (#1359227)
Thanks for the link...So very inspiring.
Re:Ocean fish could disappear in 40 years by sliverstorm on Tuesday May 18, 2010 @09:25PM (#1359768)
> However this is a classic Tragedy of the Commons example

Not on that, but ppossibly the most tragic example I've ever witnessed.

Re:Ocean fish could disappear in 40 years by yesbabyyes on Tuesday May 18, 2010 @11:09AM (#1357694)
Are you suggesting that we converted to agriculture after killing almost all wild animals?
Re:Ocean fish could disappear in 40 years by scott_s on Tuesday May 18, 2010 @11:13AM (#1357711)
No, he's suggesting that we switched from eating mostly hunted-meat to eating mostly domesticated meat.
Re:Ocean fish could disappear in 40 years by hga on Tuesday May 18, 2010 @11:32AM (#1357786)
Mostly that, but as a member of a family that hunts growing up in an agricultural region (SW Missouri) I also know that the process of converting to agriculture radically changed the environment, especially the fauna. By and large a lot of wild flora continued to exist on unfarmed land, but that provided a lot less cover etc. for animal species who's various requirements got zapped. Nowadays hunters work with farmers to e.g. leave enough quail habitat at the edges of fields.

Another thing that happened was that apex predators of domestic animals were suppressed and/or replaced by other predator domestic animals like the dog and cat. In general for lots of reasons the populations of humans grew substantially beyond what wild game could support.

Although deer in the US are something of a special case. They're really thriving, we could harvest quite a few more (and in a number of places desperately need to), heck, they're the most deadly animal in the US (through car crashes). This of course wouldn't happen in countries where meat was at more of a premium and/or where the population density was a lot higher.

Re:Ocean fish could disappear in 40 years by DaniFong on Tuesday May 18, 2010 @03:31PM (#1358716)
FYI, we did kill a huge fraction of the world's megafauna before agriculture.
Re:Ocean fish could disappear in 40 years by hga on Tuesday May 18, 2010 @03:52PM (#1358799)
You're right, I'd forgotten that.

In Australia they killed the megafauna but never went back to the agriculture they'd had and perhaps forgotten, or so said Jared Diamond in Guns, Germs and Steel.

Re:Ocean fish could disappear in 40 years by vdm on Thursday May 20, 2010 @06:53PM (#1365754)
That book is amazing.