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Re:New data show that joining the 1% remains unsettlingly he... by taeric on Friday February 03, 2017 @11:19PM (#13565617)
This makes no sense. Being in the top 1%, by most people's measures, should always come down to working to be there. It is accepted that some things are easier to learn at the top, so that they do have an advantage of education. However, they should still be working hard to be there.

Consider it in sports. Is it surprising that there are some families that have "figured it out" and are better overall than others? No. Not at all. Some will be genetics and some will be learning successful training regimes from a young age. However, even in there, the top performers are just that. The top performers.

This is showing that the top is not made up of people that are capable of getting to the top. That is concerning. Not life stoppingly so. But it is against what a lot of the world teaches each other for how working hard can help you get ahead in life.

Re:New data show that joining the 1% remains unsettlingly he... by conductr on Saturday February 04, 2017 @02:05AM (#13566020)
On the other side, if you were to achieve dynastical levels of wealth, should you be prevented from passing it down? Should your descendants centuries in the future be forced to prove they deserve their position as a 1%er?

I think % is a flawed metric. Your measuring your position compared to the rest of society as a gauge for "getting ahead in life" when you should measure yourself to yourself at different points in time.

Re:New data show that joining the 1% remains unsettlingly he... by dragonwriter on Saturday February 04, 2017 @11:57AM (#13567682)
> On the other side, if you were to achieve dynastical levels of wealth, should you be prevented from passing it down?

Absolutely; to the extent that there a person has natural property interests, they don't extend beyond the end of their life; the ability to direct the disposition of property beyond that point makes sense as a legal privilege only to the extent that model on which that privilege is granted has social utility. It's clear that some rights here are probably desirable, but not unlimited, and beyond a point the inequality that results has considerable externalized disutility.

> I think % is a flawed metric. Your measuring your position compared to the rest of society as a gauge

Whatever you think people should value, it's empirically quite clear that relative deprivation -- compare to contemporaries as well as compared to one's own former state -- is a source of significant disutility consistently, across cultures.

It's also clear that, ceteris paribus, increasing concentration of wealth decreases the amount of progress people on the lower end of the scale can make against their own past state as well as against those on the upper end.

Re:New data show that joining the 1% remains unsettlingly he... by tormeh on Saturday February 04, 2017 @11:45AM (#13567609)
This crap is infuriating. Wealth. Is. Relative. It's your ability to buy other people's time. Nobody wants to get rich so that they can have a bigger fridge. The middle-upper class has essentially all materialistic wealth they could ever use. They want the prestige and spare time you get when you're rich.
Re:New data show that joining the 1% remains unsettlingly he... by taeric on Saturday February 04, 2017 @03:36PM (#13568896)
I'm not sure where it should land. However, I do think there is ample evidence that anything which widens the gap between individuals increases instability.

So, should you be able to increase the ability for your "dynasty" to do better? Yes. Of course, increasing society at large accomplishes this more effectively than just giving them more money. Good stewards of a society typically have it better in the long run than greedy stewards.

Re:New data show that joining the 1% remains unsettlingly he... by cookiecaper on Saturday February 04, 2017 @03:27AM (#13566227)
Define "top". Having a lot of money does not make you a top businessperson any more than it makes you a top athlete. Also, define "ahead". Having a lot of resources doesn't necessarily mean you're "ahead" of anything. And isn't the thought process that someone should try to "get ahead" sort of the root problem here, anyway? Who do you want to get ahead of, and why do they deserve to be behind you?

Hard work is important for many reasons. Hard work can be involved in getting access to a lot of money, but it isn't necessarily involved in it.

And there's nothing wrong with that, because monetary resources are just one aspect of an individual's overall circumstances and it doesn't mean anything in isolation. Like many other personal circumstances (including health, much, much more valuable than money), reversal in fortunes are not uncommon. Seeking to maintain a positive position for the people you care about to rely on as needed is good, and they should be allowed to enjoy the fruits of their forebears' labors without undue judgment or excessive expectation.

Re:New data show that joining the 1% remains unsettlingly he... by taeric on Saturday February 04, 2017 @03:26PM (#13568846)
I don't disagree with much of this. I also don't see where you are going. :(