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Re:Amazon soars to more than 341K employees, adding 110K peo... by simias on Friday February 03, 2017 @01:20PM (#13561905)
Just to be clear I wasn't arguing against mass automation, at this point it's pretty much unstoppable from my point of view (and good for us software engineers). But we still haven't figured out how to deal with the changes that automation brings. And as always, it's the weakest that suffers the most.

>The free market isn't some singular entity that figures out problems before they arrive and sends us all an executive summary of its plan.

Obviously, which is why I think it's a good idea to have a few regulations in place so that we, as a society, might figure out our plan and how to make the transition a little less painful for those who have to suffer the consequences. Not that you argued against regulations in the first place but from your comments I assumed you and pm90 were of the libertarian kind.

Re:Amazon soars to more than 341K employees, adding 110K peo... by BurningFrog on Friday February 03, 2017 @01:45PM (#13562100)
> But we still haven't figured out how to deal with the changes that automation brings

I'll repeat the point: We have 250 years of experience of jobs disappearing to automation.

The counterintuitive result is an enormously increased living standard for regular people. It's hard to compute by how much, but economists who try come up with a factor of 20x to 30x.

Re:Amazon soars to more than 341K employees, adding 110K peo... by rboyd on Friday February 03, 2017 @02:03PM (#13562272)
Why would a 250 trendline to still hold relevance after the introduction of the transistor and the network?

I don't think modern society is in any way ready to reoptimize for the accelerating displacement that robotics and ai bring.

Re:Amazon soars to more than 341K employees, adding 110K peo... by jethro_tell on Friday February 03, 2017 @03:10PM (#13562865)
We've had automation of physical tasks for a long time. Automation of mental tasks is a whole different ball game. People who think we're seeing more of the same game have no idea. You can't compare a machine being stronger/faster than a person to a machine being smarter than a person.

It's not the same thing, and we aren't ready for it, partly just because people don't recognize the difference between the two.

Re:Amazon soars to more than 341K employees, adding 110K peo... by maverick_iceman on Friday February 03, 2017 @10:07PM (#13565407)
A lot of mental tasks have been automated away. Pen and paper to slide rule to electronic calculator etc.
Re:Amazon soars to more than 341K employees, adding 110K peo... by jethro_tell on Monday February 06, 2017 @04:20PM (#13584138)
Well, the calculation has been automated away. before now, you still needed a semi-competent person to input the values for computation. Now a computer can start to do that. We'll see things like computer vision tools that can estimate concrete order volumes based on a couple quick looks into the forms.
Re:Amazon soars to more than 341K employees, adding 110K peo... by BurningFrog on Friday February 03, 2017 @03:19PM (#13562950)
You talk like the transistor was invented last week. Computers have taken away mental jobs for half a century now.

That era has lifted the greatest number of people out of poverty in history. Employment and income keeps going normally.

I agree that it's possible that this trend will break. But be aware that all through these 250 years, people have constantly predicted this, and always had plausible arguments for why "this time it's different".

Re:Amazon soars to more than 341K employees, adding 110K peo... by maverick_iceman on Friday February 03, 2017 @10:06PM (#13565402)
>and good for us software engineers

Wait till the software engineering jobs are automated away.