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Re:How Immigration Uncertainty Threatens America’s Tech Domi... by mc32 on Thursday February 02, 2017 @11:56AM (#13552021)
He's saying we should have a preference for existing Americans before we handicap foreigners.

But with re Americans over other Americans, yes, it makes sense to handicap underprivileged Americans. Give them a leg up on education, training, tax breaks, etc. before we even begin to think of how we can benefit foreigners.

Re:How Immigration Uncertainty Threatens America’s Tech Domi... by maxerickson on Thursday February 02, 2017 @12:20PM (#13552273)
He's saying we should have a preference for existing Americans before we handicap foreigners.

Yes, I'm saying that it doesn't accomplish the stated goal. Restrictive immigration policy is worse than a more welcoming policy when you consider the impact on all existing Americans. Immigration is the better policy for Americans, it's just that the benefit is spread out across more people than the downside, so it is easy to think otherwise.

As far as retraining and such, we should seek to design such things so that they are highly available and are beneficial to the United States as a whole regardless of whether you train an immigrant or a first, second, third, or fourth (or fifth or sixth or seventh) generation American.

Re:How Immigration Uncertainty Threatens America’s Tech Domi... by mc32 on Thursday February 02, 2017 @12:39PM (#13552521)
So not only are we wrong, but so is every other country on earth. How is it all countries, many of which would like to become relatively more competitive than America, seem to all be making the same mistake you allude to?

W/re training. America is responsible for training our own, I don't think we should think we should off load that job to say Canada, and in the same way people's home countries should be responsible for their own citizens wellbeing and development. We cannot be responsible for nor absorb the deficiencies by other countries with respect to their own citizens, in effect subsidizing malgovernance.

Re:How Immigration Uncertainty Threatens America’s Tech Domi... by maxerickson on Thursday February 02, 2017 @01:02PM (#13552794)
Other countries tend to have less productive economies than the US. Both overall and per worker. Of the few with higher productivity, most of them have more generous immigration policy than the US has had in recent years.

So yes, you are wrong, both about the impact of immigration here and the impact of closed borders elsewhere.

With the training I see it as a utilitarian issue. If training someone is a net benefit to the US I don't care where they were born. I certainly don't want to leave the benefit sitting on the table just because they weren't born here.

Re:How Immigration Uncertainty Threatens America’s Tech Domi... by dragonwriter on Thursday February 02, 2017 @01:03PM (#13552803)
> Other countries tend to have less productive economies than the US. Both overall and per worker.

But often not per worker-hour.

Re:How Immigration Uncertainty Threatens America’s Tech Domi... by mc32 on Thursday February 02, 2017 @01:17PM (#13552946)
When you say more generous immigration policies, do they just allow anyone in, or do they try to ensure there is an unmet demand at home? Can I just get a ticket land there and get a job in a desirable sector?
Re:How Immigration Uncertainty Threatens America’s Tech Domi... by credit_guy on Thursday February 02, 2017 @10:13PM (#13557355)
Here's a link [1] to a description of the point-based immigration systems in Australia, Canada and the UK. They all seem to be much more permissive than the US. And no, they don't allow everyone in.

[1] https://loc.gov/law/help/points-based-immigration/index.php