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Re:CSS Grid – Table layout is back. Be there and be square by bshimmin on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @08:14AM (#13530230)
I'm glad someone else said it. I particularly like that they've introduced a new unit, `fr`, and can't even decide what it stands for.

I've been writing CSS since about 1996; for some reason, I feel like it all started to go downhill, fast, with the background gradient syntax.

Re:CSS Grid – Table layout is back. Be there and be square by sangnoir on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @08:24AM (#13530294)
> I feel like it all started to go downhill, fast, with the background gradient syntax

I'll take background in CSS over tiled 1px-wide gradient background images any day. The responsibilities being piled to CSS keep increasing, but I believe it is being done in good faith to at improve/formalize what people in the wild are already doing with hacks. Remember DHTML?

Re:CSS Grid – Table layout is back. Be there and be square by bshimmin on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @08:38AM (#13530380)
Oh I do, I do... and I agree that many of the things CSS does for you today are vastly better than the ad-hoc solutions we had in the past (if you ever have to create an HTML email - and thankfully I am able to outsource all of that sort of work to someone who actually takes a perverse pleasure in it - that's always a nice reminder of how silly HTML and CSS were in the late '90s before CSS was actually broadly usable).

But still... some of the syntax we have now, not to mention the sheer breadth of verbiage, is insane. CSS feels like it's been groaning under the weight of all of this guff for quite some time now, and adding new obscure units and funny things in square brackets isn't really going to improve matters.

Re:CSS Grid – Table layout is back. Be there and be square by sangnoir on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @11:01AM (#13531648)
> But still... some of the syntax we have now, not to mention the sheer breadth of verbiage, is insane

I had somehow missed that your gripe is with the syntax - I fully agree with you on that! CSS definitely feels kludgey, especially for larger/complex apps or sites. I now think of real CSS as a target that my build system generates as I mostly write in Sass or LESS. I find those superior to vanilla CSS in maintainability and composability.

Re:CSS Grid – Table layout is back. Be there and be square by kakarot on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @01:39PM (#13533719)
I couldn't go back to vanilla CSS. Even with just its basic nesting features, SCSS enables a much more modular, compartmentalized, and parsable format, with a clear view of the overall hierarchy via imports
Re:CSS Grid – Table layout is back. Be there and be square by njharman on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @11:34AM (#13532080)
Dude! I had so forgot about making those 1px by however long/high images, over and over as size of things changed.

CSS/HTML is a complicated mess. But anyone who thinks it used to be better needs to take off the rose tint glasses.

Re:CSS Grid – Table layout is back. Be there and be square by usaphp on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @11:42AM (#13532205)
Remember back in the days you had to use rounded corners images and JS hacks to get a result that border-radius does today. Nightmares.
Re:CSS Grid – Table layout is back. Be there and be square by at-fates-hands on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @04:01PM (#13535187)
The ironic thing is now instead of having to load 40 images, you're loading 40 different JS libraries to get the job done.

I'm still not sure if we're better off yet. . . .

Re:CSS Grid – Table layout is back. Be there and be square by betenoire on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @01:49PM (#13543644)
I know what you mean, but just to be clear, 0 libraries are needed for me to write CSS.
Re:CSS Grid – Table layout is back. Be there and be square by talmand on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @10:43AM (#13541528)
I've always seen it referred to as "fractional". Have you seen it described as something else?
Re:CSS Grid – Table layout is back. Be there and be square by bshimmin on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @08:16PM (#13547194)
Well, @fantasai, who should probably know, says "I think we never really decided on that": https://twitter.com/DasSurma/status/815910270023430144