Hi -- there's a very important piece of information missing from your take, and I think it might make a difference to you: not only are refugees being stopped from entering the United States. Regular people who already live here legally (many of whom aren't refugees) are being stopped too.

All citizens of the countries listed, even those who have lived in the USA for years legally on visas, even those who are legal permanent residents, are not allowed to enter the USA. They are not even allowed to be routed through it in most cases. These people are detained on entry, handled as criminals, many questioned for hours, and several have been given forms that, when signed, revoke their residence permanently. Then they are sent back.

This means professors, doctors, students, scientists, and lots of regular people who have lived legally in the USA for years, some for decades, many of whom think of themselves as American first. If they're inside the US, they're now effectively stuck inside. If they're outside, they're now stuck outside for 3 months minimum -- it could go longer, if their country doesn't introduce sufficient "vetting" in response, and provided nothing new stops them.

Regular people who aren't trying to escape anything, who aren't trying to join the country, who ALREADY live here, are now homeless, forced to go to other nations, and dealt with as criminals if they try to come home to America.

(also, while there were computer problems again, there were also many real protests at major airports)

except for those Green Card holders and citizens returning from these countries who have a not unreasonable expectation that we gave them that they have a home here (and mostly, already, have a life here), right?

[0]http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/donald-trump-travel-b...

[1] https://www.us-immigration.com/us-immigration-news/us-green-...

Because that's not how America advertises itself. But maybe you don't want an America with rights, you want a fascist America that everyone else hates so you can start another "war on terror" and Trump and Bannon can grab even more emergency powers.

1. Rudy Giuliani is on record as saying that Trump asked how to 'legally' implement the Muslim ban he promised in the campaign trail, and that this executive order is the result. Even if the end result isn't a blanket ban on all Muslims, the intent remains.

2. International law, and treaties that the US have signed, oblige them to shoulder some of the collective responsibility for refugee resettlement in the international community. Banning refugees based on their country of origin works against that, and may well be illegal.

You can renounce an international treaty easily enough. In fact I'd say the refugee convention is well based it's use by date. I't basically only accepted by the western world when there are many countries that would be better positioned to accept the current refugee population.

It's on his website.

Legal issues are well beyond the area of my expertise, so I have no idea if Trump's recent actions contravene this per se, but the point is that we do have some obligation to help refugees under international law.

2. When Anne Frank's parents tried to get to the US between 1939 and 1941, the US certainly did not send them straight to death camps. The Final Solution wasn't even decided until 1942. Anne Frank wasn't arrested until 1944.

3. If the standard for US residence is love for our laws and conformity to our way of life, we need to come up with a good explanation for the special case where people born in the US are allowed to stay without vetting upon adulthood.

You realize both of these can be true right? I flew out of BWI last night on Delta. There were hundreds of protesters at the airport, but they didn't delay us.

We did have to wait 4 hours for the Delta computer systems in Atlanta to be restored to service.

If anything, HN benefits from diverse viewpoints as long as they're expressed thoughtfully and respectfully.