It's not the same thing at all. Obama didn't block people who already have valid visas. Obama didn't block green card holders.

Why do you say it's the same? Do you consider those two things to be essentially the same, or are you ignorant of the actual substance of one or both of these actions, or what?

This policy is still not the same though, no.

The previous administration only suspended Iraqi refugee processing for ~6 months.

The thing I'm mostly annoyed about is people claiming "only the new administration would pick this list of countries" when they inherited the list. I'd much rather we focused on how much worse things they're doing with the list instead.

I totally agree that focusing on the list itself is silly. It's a good example of why Trump should have divested his business interests prior to taking office, to avoid this kind of questioning of his motives. But it certainly doesn't look like these countries were chosen in any way based on his business holdings.

Source: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/158/...

Most recently, UN estimates of civilians killed in Yemen, many by US-made bombs ( https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/12/08/yemen-us-made-bombs-used... ) exceeds 4,000 ( https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/01/12/yemen-no-accountability-... ), I've seen others around 10,000+. That was an Obama-backed campaign.

I have a lot of respect for the people who have been protesting the entire time. I have a great deal of suspicion of those who are suddenly speaking up.

Does SV care about human rights, or are they more concerned about their continued access to H1-B Visa holders?

Speaking as a person who had a very, very big problem with Obama bombing civilians in countries we're not even at war with, I'll point out that what Trump is already doing with respect to immigration does go far beyond what Obama did.

Under Obama, there was never any doubt that a green card holder would be permitted reentry as long as they followed the same restrictions that have been in place for decades (e.g. don't get convicted of a felony, don't stay away for more than six months at a time). That is no longer true.

The same applies to someone who holds dual citizenship with the U.K. and Iran. Under the new policy (which is admittedly in flux and is being actively tested in court), a British Iranian cannot enter. That was never an issue before.

Obama stopped the refugee programm for Iraqi citizens for 6 months - it never affected people with valid green cards or dual passports.

Stopping new applications from one country for six months is not the same thing as cutting off refugees from all countries who had already passed the process, out of the blue with no warning, stopping people at airports until judges stepped in. halting this process from one country is not the same as cutting off all immigrants from seven countries with no warning, including legal permanent residents who happened to be visiting home. The green card policy was only reversed after already disrupting lots of lives, and the details are all still very unclear and confusing.

Partisanship blinds both sides to the real issues. Many liberals freak out about everything Trump does. Many conservatives, who previously criticized Obama's executive orders, react to this by showing more concern about leftist hysteria regarding abuse of power than the actual extremely concerning abuse of power itself.

The trolls have entered the conversation.

Obama oversees war for every day of his two terms, and we hear nothing, because, I guess, bombing people isn't hateful.

Trump takes office, continues the policies of Obama, and he's hateful. It's the left that is prejudice in assuming that those in the middle and the right can't see through this.

I see zero effort to change strategy or tactic, so we can all look forward to a second term of Trump.