Re:Ask HN: YC please talk about Immigration Order
by mistermann on Monday January 30, 2017 @12:56AM
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Thanks for an actual substantive comment.
> The /r/altright subreddit says on its sidebar: "Another core principle of the Alt-Right is Identitarianism. Identitarianism is the prioritization of social identity, regardless of political persuasion. Thus, the Alt-Right promotes White Identity and White Nationalism."
This was actually surprising news to me. One issue I have with the term "white nationalism" is: can you be white and a nationalist (putting your countrymen's needs first, regardless of skin color), without being a "white nationalist" (aka racist)?
If you don't mind, I'd really appreciate your opinion on that question.
Regardless, if a subreddit with 16,000+ subscribers self-proclaims it is white nationalist (rather than just nationalist), then I have no problem conceding that it seems that it is kind of gelling into an at least partially racist organization, which would lose my support.
> The alt-right’s intellectuals would also argue that culture is inseparable from race.
That is full-on mentally retarded, there is absolutely no scientific evidence to support that assertion, and plenty suggesting the exact opposite. Jesus Christ. (EDIT: Just to be crystal clear, I realize that was not your statement, it was Breitbart's. I'm going to go look that up because I find it extremely hard to believe they would actually be stupid enough to say that.)
EDIT 2: Curious to see how long until my mystery downvoter shows up and downvotes my last set of comments. :)
EDIT 3: After a skim of the article, I feel quite confident that "The alt-right’s intellectuals would also argue that culture is inseparable from race" was an unintentional mistake, and replacing "race" with "nationality" or "community" would better express the writer's actual thoughts.
This whole phenomenon is very interesting to me. I don't think many people would deny that your environment has a significant effect on your character development (nature vs nurture), would they? Yet, when you extend this idea to the national level, these very same people will now say it is literally impossible for your environment to influence a person's character. Or, people will gladly visit a foreign country and come back extolling the virtues of the culture, but if the topic of conversation change from tourism to immigration, the same people would passionately proclaim that it is a delusion to think that there is such a thing as "culture" of a nation.
> The /r/altright subreddit says on its sidebar: "Another core principle of the Alt-Right is Identitarianism. Identitarianism is the prioritization of social identity, regardless of political persuasion. Thus, the Alt-Right promotes White Identity and White Nationalism."
This was actually surprising news to me. One issue I have with the term "white nationalism" is: can you be white and a nationalist (putting your countrymen's needs first, regardless of skin color), without being a "white nationalist" (aka racist)?
If you don't mind, I'd really appreciate your opinion on that question.
Regardless, if a subreddit with 16,000+ subscribers self-proclaims it is white nationalist (rather than just nationalist), then I have no problem conceding that it seems that it is kind of gelling into an at least partially racist organization, which would lose my support.
> The alt-right’s intellectuals would also argue that culture is inseparable from race.
That is full-on mentally retarded, there is absolutely no scientific evidence to support that assertion, and plenty suggesting the exact opposite. Jesus Christ. (EDIT: Just to be crystal clear, I realize that was not your statement, it was Breitbart's. I'm going to go look that up because I find it extremely hard to believe they would actually be stupid enough to say that.)
EDIT 2: Curious to see how long until my mystery downvoter shows up and downvotes my last set of comments. :)
EDIT 3: After a skim of the article, I feel quite confident that "The alt-right’s intellectuals would also argue that culture is inseparable from race" was an unintentional mistake, and replacing "race" with "nationality" or "community" would better express the writer's actual thoughts.
This whole phenomenon is very interesting to me. I don't think many people would deny that your environment has a significant effect on your character development (nature vs nurture), would they? Yet, when you extend this idea to the national level, these very same people will now say it is literally impossible for your environment to influence a person's character. Or, people will gladly visit a foreign country and come back extolling the virtues of the culture, but if the topic of conversation change from tourism to immigration, the same people would passionately proclaim that it is a delusion to think that there is such a thing as "culture" of a nation.