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Re:SpaceX is livestreaming a hyperloop pod competition by gizmo on Sunday January 29, 2017 @06:54PM (#13517606)
This is really cool. For people just tuning in: this is a test of pods in a vacuum tube travelling by their own power. Designed by students. A pod just got 94km/hr top speed.
Re:SpaceX is livestreaming a hyperloop pod competition by smbullet on Sunday January 29, 2017 @07:26PM (#13517731)
It's not by their own power, there's a pusher vehicle bringing them up to speed.
Re:SpaceX is livestreaming a hyperloop pod competition by shadowfacts on Sunday January 29, 2017 @10:30PM (#13518436)
The pusher is only accelerating the test vehicles up to a fraction of that, so that they can achieve levitation and after that the vehicle is under its own power.

It wouldn't make for much of a competition if the SpaceX vehicle was the one doing all the work.

Re:SpaceX is livestreaming a hyperloop pod competition by smbullet on Monday January 30, 2017 @12:13AM (#13518866)
Almost no pods have any kind of self propulsion. IIRC the whitepaper states the use of linear accelerators on the tube I-beams to propel the pod. That hasn't been integrated in the competition so the teams just coast at the pusher's 94km/h
Re:SpaceX is livestreaming a hyperloop pod competition by skykooler on Monday January 30, 2017 @09:13AM (#13521288)
The pushers max speed was 80 km/h. The Warr team accelerated past that to hit 94.
Re:SpaceX is livestreaming a hyperloop pod competition by flukus on Sunday January 29, 2017 @07:32PM (#13517753)
> A pod just got 94km/hr top speed.

Why is that impressive?

Re:SpaceX is livestreaming a hyperloop pod competition by imglorp on Sunday January 29, 2017 @07:48PM (#13517832)
It's impressive because these students are breaking new ground. One competitor just said they didn't know anything about batteries in vacuum, just for one example, and had to bring in an expert on that, among other challenges.

94km/h is a first step towards 1200km/h.

Re:SpaceX is livestreaming a hyperloop pod competition by Retric on Sunday January 29, 2017 @08:24PM (#13517975)
It's also a short track and 1/2 scale (1/8th volume) cars making 94km/h fairly difficult.
Re:SpaceX is livestreaming a hyperloop pod competition by AtheistOfFail on Sunday January 29, 2017 @07:33PM (#13517761)
decent aerodynamics?
Re:SpaceX is livestreaming a hyperloop pod competition by nothrabannosir on Sunday January 29, 2017 @07:42PM (#13517805)
Isn't it a vacuum?
Re:SpaceX is livestreaming a hyperloop pod competition by rmccue on Sunday January 29, 2017 @08:23PM (#13517972)
It's specifically not a vacuum, but rather a low pressure system.

> Just as aircraft climb to high altitudes to travel through less dense air, Hyperloop encloses the capsules in a reduced pressure tube. The pressure of air in Hyperloop is about 1/6 the pressure of the atmosphere on Mars. This is an operating pressure of 100 Pascals, which reduces the drag force of the air by 1,000 times relative to sea level conditions and would be equivalent to flying above 150,000 feet altitude. A hard vacuum is avoided as vacuums are expensive and difficult to maintain compared with low pressure solutions.

Re:SpaceX is livestreaming a hyperloop pod competition by stephen_g on Monday January 30, 2017 @12:56AM (#13519007)
You're using faulty definitions there. Even outer space is not a 'true' vacuum. Any pressure lower than atmospheric pressure is considered a partial vacuum.

100 Pascals in a lab would be considered a 'medium' vacuum. And in a tube the size of an actual full-size hyperloop, even that will probably be extremely difficult and expensive to achieve.

I think the hyperloop will end up being technologically unviable mostly because of the cost and the limitations of technology (like the expansion joints that will be required on a decently long track), but I hope I'm wrong on that. It may lead to new innovations which will be good.

Re:SpaceX is livestreaming a hyperloop pod competition by rmccue on Monday January 30, 2017 @04:33AM (#13519693)
You're right, I'm using vacuum as a layman's term, and shorthand for "hard vacuum" as mentioned in the paper. [0] The paper refers to the Hyperloop system as a "a low pressure (vs. almost no pressure) system".

[0]: http://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/hyperloop_alpha.pdf (p3)

Re:SpaceX is livestreaming a hyperloop pod competition by bjterry on Monday January 30, 2017 @02:39AM (#13519314)
A true vacuum is literally impossible. It's not a category that can exist in nature, because particles aren't actually little balls that bounce around. Every volume has some probability of a particle being in it in the great universal configuration space. It can have an expected number of particles < 1, but never zero.
Re:SpaceX is livestreaming a hyperloop pod competition by Geee on Sunday January 29, 2017 @08:18PM (#13517944)
No. There's enough air pressure to potentially lift and cushion the pod in the pipe (at least in the original plan). However most pod designs (I think) use magnetic levitation for lift.
Re:SpaceX is livestreaming a hyperloop pod competition by OV-104 on Sunday January 29, 2017 @07:42PM (#13517803)
Aerodynamics are negligible in a vacuum.