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Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by threeseed on Sunday January 29, 2017 @04:52AM (#13513382)
That's cute. And it might even work in a startup. But likely not.

But in the enterprise world nobody really cares what engineers think. You have Enterprise Architects, Technical Architects, Solution Architects etc. who get paid exorbitant amounts of money, are political animals and can masterfully straddle the line between business and technology. Most of them are ex-engineers so they aren't entirely useless and since they have their own language they will make you look stupid. Can't articulate the transition from a tactical to strategic solution and explain what business capabilities it aligns to ? Well good luck getting that past the central Enterprise Architects who will need to sign off on your choice before it heads to Procurement/Legal.

Architects along with IT managers and CIOs are the people whom the famous Oracle Sales machine targets with golf games, overseas trips and fancy dinners. It's never engineers. I spent a few years at Oracle. They are a multi billion dollar company for a reason.

Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by bb101 on Sunday January 29, 2017 @05:06AM (#13513430)
I can confirm this. Oracle goes out of their way to make senior and upper-mid management feel like rockstars. All expenses paid meetings in attractive overseas destinations, start to finish hand holding on multi-million dollar engagements, regular contact and personal attention. Management swoon and sign the cheques. And why wouldn't they? After all, it's only the company's money, not theirs personally.
Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by raverbashing on Sunday January 29, 2017 @05:36AM (#13513524)
It will be fun if Oracle is investigated relating this practices
Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by Helmet on Sunday January 29, 2017 @02:59PM (#13516235)
Why? This is basically how the business world operates. There is nothing wrong with a private business wining and dining a potential client to swoon and sell them something.
Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by edblarney on Sunday January 29, 2017 @03:45PM (#13516522)
"here is nothing wrong with a private business wining and dining a potential client to swoon and sell them something."

Yes it's called 'kickbacks' and it can be illegal or considered corruption.

If you were a CEO would you want your team buying a product because they were given $5000 tickets to the superbowl?

Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by aNoob7000 on Sunday January 29, 2017 @07:07PM (#13517661)
You will be investigating likes of Microsoft, IBM, and even Amazon.

As an example, I can't stop the CIO and board at my company from talking about the cloud because of all the consultants and sales guys talking to the C suite. You want to see something really oversold right now look no further than the cloud.

Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by edblarney on Sunday January 29, 2017 @07:45PM (#13517815)
'Wining and dining' is very common, but it's not necessarily considered 'corruption' because a meal is well, just a meal, after all. The occasional tickets etc. are just a 'gift' not ostensibly supposed to interfere with the purchasing decision.

Of course they do on some level.

But it's a fine line.

It's crazy how many CEO's will let purchasing decision makers be taken on these things and junkets, I would just not allow it.

But also don't doubt the ability of people to just drink koolaid. There are tons of non-thinkers out there who just 'buy' the story presented to them.

Also - I don't think 'the cloud' is oversold. It's definitely the future, and it's going to be the 'new normal' and it's here to stay.

The notion that anyone would 'host their own' stuff just doesn't make sense anymore - unless there are specific reasons for it. 'The cloud' is now the 'default choice' for most things, unless you have a need not to use it.

Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by aNoob7000 on Monday January 30, 2017 @12:00AM (#13518813)
I never said the "wining and dining" was illegal or corrupt. I just think it is a easy way to get decision makers to push the people under them to look at technologies that may or may not apply.

In the case of the cloud, I agree that there's a future for it. But I think in the future people are going to look around and notice that it cost a lot of money to run everything in the cloud and on-premise is going to start looking good again.

Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by raverbashing on Sunday January 29, 2017 @05:05AM (#13513425)
Yes, those issues are important, and I was aware of them

For a start, that's why I don't work (at least directly) for the enterprise world.

But I've seen companies adopt open source solutions and modernize. I've also seen companies use those "legacy" technologies. They're the ones that usually go bankrupt, unless technology is a minor part of their business.

And yes, as much as "corporate architecture" is 90% BS and politics, if you can at least explain why solution A is better than solution B in a way it's understood, then you did your part.

And the question remains, who will pick up the phone when an open source DB fails to perform as it should. Does Red Hat provide support in that area?

Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by threeseed on Sunday January 29, 2017 @05:50AM (#13513554)
Support is the biggest issue with open source. It's why companies like RedHat, DataStax, Hortonworks, Databricks, MongoDB have all done so well. They basically took over their open source projects and provided official vendor support in the Oracle "style".

They all offer certifications, training and conferences around the world for you to spend company money on.

Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by arethuza on Sunday January 29, 2017 @05:30AM (#13513510)
"explain what business capabilities it aligns to"

Well, that is rather the point of buying a large complex business application - it has to align with business processes!!